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[Ian0111]

multi purpose talaga ang PH corner, im so proud to be part of this site

 

[Frustrated Burger]

Gawa 11:4 Datapuwa't si Pedro ay nagpasimula, at ang kadahilanan ay isinaysay sa kanilang sunodsunod na sinasabi, 5Ako'y nananalangin sa bayan ng Joppe: at sa kawalan ng diwa'y nakakita ako ng isang pangitain, na may isang sisidlang bumababa, na gaya ng isang malapad na kumot, na inihuhugos mula sa langit na nakabitin sa apat na sulok; at dumating hanggang sa akin: 6At nang yao'y aking titigan, ay pinagwari ko, at aking nakita ang mga hayop na may apat na paa sa lupa at mga hayop na ganid at ang mga nagsisigapang at mga ibon sa langit. 7At nakarinig din naman ako ng isang tinig na nagsasabi sa akin, Magtindig ka, Pedro; magpatay ka at kumain. 8Datapuwa't sinabi ko, Hindi maaari, Panginoon: sapagka't kailan man ay walang anomang pumasok sa aking bibig na marumi o karumaldumal. 9Nguni't sumagot na ikalawa ang tinig mula sa langit, Ang nilinis ng Dios, ay huwag mong ipalagay na marumi. 10At ito'y nangyaring makaitlo: at muling binatak ang lahat sa langit.

 

[The Bible Reader]

Gawa 11:4 Datapuwa't si Pedro ay nagpasimula, at ang kadahilanan ay isinaysay sa kanilang sunodsunod na sinasabi, 5Ako'y nananalangin sa bayan ng Joppe: at sa kawalan ng diwa'y nakakita ako ng isang pangitain, na may isang sisidlang bumababa, na gaya ng isang malapad na kumot, na inihuhugos mula sa langit na nakabitin sa apat na sulok; at dumating hanggang sa akin: 6At nang yao'y aking titigan, ay pinagwari ko, at aking nakita ang mga hayop na may apat na paa sa lupa at mga hayop na ganid at ang mga nagsisigapang at mga ibon sa langit. 7At nakarinig din naman ako ng isang tinig na nagsasabi sa akin, Magtindig ka, Pedro; magpatay ka at kumain. 8Datapuwa't sinabi ko, Hindi maaari, Panginoon: sapagka't kailan man ay walang anomang pumasok sa aking bibig na marumi o karumaldumal. 9Nguni't sumagot na ikalawa ang tinig mula sa langit, Ang nilinis ng Dios, ay huwag mong ipalagay na marumi. 10At ito'y nangyaring makaitlo: at muling binatak ang lahat sa langit.

Thank you for these amazing verses Frustrated Burger !

Acts 10:11-15: "What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common."


Apparently this was a "vision" Peter had (verse 17). We need to study to understand what a vision actually means. If not, we run into numerous problems. For example, John had visions of a giant beast with ten horns and seven heads (Revelation 17:3). Daniel had a vision of a Lion with wings (Daniel 7:4). Are we to take visions literally? No, symbols in visions always symbolize something. Let’s examine the vision Peter had:

(Act 10:10)
And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

(verse 11)
And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

(verse 12)
Wherein were all manner of four footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

(verse 13)
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

(verse 14)
But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

The first point we should notice is that Peter’s concerned in regards to eating unclean meats proves that Jesus did not abolish the animal laws as some would say. Peter, who was by birth a Jew, was among the group of disciples they later called "Christians" – Acts 11:26. Peter the Christian did not believe these health laws were abolished at the cross.

(verse 15)
And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

(verse 16)
This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

After this took place "thrice," which means "three times," the vessel was taken back to where it came from, and Peter did not eat the unclean animals. Why do you suppose the vision occured three times? Take note that as soon as the vision ended, "three" men came to see Peter (verse 19). These three men then took Peter to a centurion man named Cornelius (verse 22-23) who was not of the Jewish nation, but was rather an Italian man (verse 1). When Peter arrives at Cornelius’s home, he finds many people there (verse 27). Apparently these people were not Jews, because Peter then says in verse 28 that it is not customary for Jews to gather together with people of other nations. The three men sent by Cornelius to Peter must have therefore also been non-Jews. Read closely Peters words:

“And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.” -Act 10:28.

It was when Peter saw this company of non-Jews that he finally understood the vision he had previously seen. The animals he saw in the visions were "unclean" animals, yet Peter gives us the clear understanding that God was talking to him about "man" as verse 28 says, that it, people outside the camp of Israel. Peter then concludes:

"…of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons." Acts 10:24.

Peter further declares:

"In every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.” -Act 10:35.

After Peter’s powerful sermon, the Holy Spirit, which fell upon the Jewish disciples at first (Acts 2:4) now falls upon the Gentiles:

"And they of the *********ion which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost." -Act 10:45.

Clearly, the whole point of the vision Peter had, was not on eating meat or unclean meat, but rather about taking the gospel news to "all the world" and to "every creature" –Mark 16:15, even to non-Jews.

Conclusion: This chapter teaches that the gospel Peter was preaching to what he thought were common people, the Jews, must now be preached among the Gentiles, who were un-common or unclean to Jews. There is no indication that God was trying to teach Peter that he was now allowed to eat anything he’d like. By simply reading further on into the chapter, one can see that this is not the case at all. Peter, the Christian, still believed in the health laws even after the ascension of Christ.

Context Matters. That is why we really need to be prayerful while reading scriptures. Read the whole chapter. God bless!

 

[The Bible Reader]

Gawa 11:4 Datapuwa't si Pedro ay nagpasimula, at ang kadahilanan ay isinaysay sa kanilang sunodsunod na sinasabi, 5Ako'y nananalangin sa bayan ng Joppe: at sa kawalan ng diwa'y nakakita ako ng isang pangitain, na may isang sisidlang bumababa, na gaya ng isang malapad na kumot, na inihuhugos mula sa langit na nakabitin sa apat na sulok; at dumating hanggang sa akin: 6At nang yao'y aking titigan, ay pinagwari ko, at aking nakita ang mga hayop na may apat na paa sa lupa at mga hayop na ganid at ang mga nagsisigapang at mga ibon sa langit. 7At nakarinig din naman ako ng isang tinig na nagsasabi sa akin, Magtindig ka, Pedro; magpatay ka at kumain. 8Datapuwa't sinabi ko, Hindi maaari, Panginoon: sapagka't kailan man ay walang anomang pumasok sa aking bibig na marumi o karumaldumal. 9Nguni't sumagot na ikalawa ang tinig mula sa langit, Ang nilinis ng Dios, ay huwag mong ipalagay na marumi. 10At ito'y nangyaring makaitlo: at muling binatak ang lahat sa langit.

This is just a shortened version. Just to make sure that you will get the point:

NOTE: It is a vision.

Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

verse 17, we see he still in doubt. But why some readers by just reading from verse 4 to 10 concluded that we can now eat unclean meats? But Peter didn't.

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

In verse 28, we see the meaning of His vision.


Again, Context Matters.

 

[jerriku]

I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. For if your brother is grieved by what you eat, you are no longer walking in love. By what you eat, do not destroy the one for whom Christ died. So do not let what you regard as good be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding.
Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats.

At the end of the day, just respect one's belief. To eat or not to eat pork depends on the person. And there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Frustrated Burger]

This is just a shortened version. Just to make sure that you will get the point:

NOTE: It is a vision.

Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

verse 17, we see he still in doubt. But why some readers by just reading from verse 4 to 10 concluded that we can now eat unclean meats? But Peter didn't.

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

In verse 28, we see the meaning of His vision.


Again, Context Matters.

Tanong ko sayo
Kahit ba pangitain yan hindi ba dapat sundin?
Panginoon ang nasalita kay Pedro sa pangitain diba?

 

[The Bible Reader]

Tanong ko sayo
Kahit ba pangitain yan hindi ba dapat sundin?
Panginoon ang nasalita kay Pedro sa pangitain diba?

Tanong ko saiyo. Nakakain ba ang vision?

 

[The Bible Reader]

I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. For if your brother is grieved by what you eat, you are no longer walking in love. By what you eat, do not destroy the one for whom Christ died. So do not let what you regard as good be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding.
Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats.

At the end of the day, just respect one's belief. To eat or not to eat pork depends on the person. And there's nothing wrong with that.

same tactics with the serpent in Genesis 3 , but Lo and Behold! Try to read Isaiah 66:15-18

 

[The Bible Reader]

Tanong ko sayo
Kahit ba pangitain yan hindi ba dapat sundin?
Panginoon ang nasalita kay Pedro sa pangitain diba?

[response to your deleted reply]
verse 28 , Peter says ..."God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean"

Now, kung tutol ka dito, meaning tutol ka sa katotohanan. Ipinaglalaban mo ba ang maling aral ng paniniwala mo? Read the whole chapter.

 

[Frustrated Burger]

Tanong ko saiyo. Nakakain ba ang vision?

pangitain nga eh ibig sabihin sa reality mo siya makikitang magaganap
Kung sa tesda pa sa aktuwal

 

[The Bible Reader]

pangitain nga eh ibig sabihin sa reality mo siya makikitang magaganap
Kung sa tesda pa sa aktuwal

Iwan ko lang kong nakakain ba ang pangitain. haha

Tumutol ka sa conclusion ni Pedro sa verse 28 "...God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean"

Kasi nga may tradition sila, "Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation;"

Read the whole chapter for better understanding.

 

[Frustrated Burger]

Sa israel noong araw bawal sila kumain ng baboy,kamelyo,kabayo,hipon,hito,kanduli marami silang bawal na kainin.

Pagdating ng Panginoon ang aral ni Kristo ganito:

Marcos 7:19 Sapagka't hindi pumapasok sa kaniyang puso, kundi sa kaniyang tiyan, at lumalabas sa dakong daanan ng dumi? Sa salitang ito'y nililinis niya ang lahat ng pagkain.

Sabi ng Panginoon nililinis na ng Dios ang lahat ng pagkain
Anong dahilan?pakibasa ito:

1 Timoteo 4:4 Sapagka't ang bawa't nilalang ng Dios ay mabuti, at walang anomang nararapat na itakuwil, kung tinatanggap na may pagpapasalamat: 5 Sapagka't pinakababanal sa pamamagitan ng salita ng Dios at ng pananalangin.

Ang doktrina sa Kristiyano bago ka lang kumain ay mananalangin ka at yan ay lilinisin ng Dios kahit na yan ay kinu consider na karumaldumal noong una, manalangin kalang sapagkat lahat na nilalang ng Dios mabuti walang nararapat na itakuwil
Sino ba ang gumawa ng baboy,hipon,kabayo, diba ang Dios?

Alam mo kasi sa panahong Kristiyano binago ng Dios ang batas tungkol sa mga pagkain. Yong bawal sa israel, pagdating ni Kristo binago na yon. Pakibasa:

Hebreo 9:10 Palibhasa'y palatuntunan lamang na ukol sa laman, na iniatang hanggang sa panahon ng pagbabago (gaya ng mga pagkain, at mga inumin at sarisaring paglilinis).

Sa panahong israel yong mga iniatang na mga aral noon,hanggang panahon ng pagbabago lang yon. Talagang Pagdating ni Kristo babaguin yon

Pakibasa ang katunayan:

Hebreo 8:13 Doon sa sinasabi niya, Isang bagong tipan, ay linuma niya ang una. Datapuwa't ang nagiging luma at tumatanda ay malapit ng lumipas.

Sa bagong tipan yong mga dating karumaldumal sa israel
Sa panahong Kristiyano mayroong sinabi si Kristo,nililinis niya ang lahat ng pagkain tapos kailangan lan bago ka kumain manalangin ka at yong pagkain na yon lilinisin ng salita ng Dios ng kapangyarihan ng Dios sa pamamagitan ng panalangin
Kaya kailangan bago ka kumain kahit baboy kahit hipon kahit hito bawal kasi yan sa israel manalangin kalang pasalamatan mo sa Dios pabindisyonan mo sa Dios at hindi mo ikakasama yan
Yan ang sabi ng bagong tipan

The Bible Reader

 

[Jmrie_]

dinuguan bawal siguro

 

[Frustrated Burger]

dinuguan bawal siguro

Bawal kainin ang dugo sa panahon ng israel at Kristiano

 

[Jmrie_]

Bawal kainin ang dugo sa panahon ng israel at Kristiano

sa bagong tipan basta yan siguro ayaw ko mag dagdag

 

[ulykirito]

respect nlng natin isat isa...

 

[EL-SEVERO]

Bat ang mga pari mayayaman?

 

[loadeddiper]

Iwan ko lang kong nakakain ba ang pangitain. haha

Tumutol ka sa conclusion ni Pedro sa verse 28 "...God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean"

Kasi nga may tradition sila, "Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation;"

Read the whole chapter for better understanding.

Do not argue with the Word of God!
Di niyo ba napansin na di na nag sasalita gumawa ng thread na ito?
Do not be deceive!

When words are many, sin is not absent, but he who holds his tongue is wise. Proverbs 10:19"

 

[loadeddiper]

Sa israel noong araw bawal sila kumain ng baboy,kamelyo,kabayo,hipon,hito,kanduli marami silang bawal na kainin.

Pagdating ng Panginoon ang aral ni Kristo ganito:

Marcos 7:19 Sapagka't hindi pumapasok sa kaniyang puso, kundi sa kaniyang tiyan, at lumalabas sa dakong daanan ng dumi? Sa salitang ito'y nililinis niya ang lahat ng pagkain.

Sabi ng Panginoon nililinis na ng Dios ang lahat ng pagkain
Anong dahilan?pakibasa ito:

1 Timoteo 4:4 Sapagka't ang bawa't nilalang ng Dios ay mabuti, at walang anomang nararapat na itakuwil, kung tinatanggap na may pagpapasalamat: 5 Sapagka't pinakababanal sa pamamagitan ng salita ng Dios at ng pananalangin.

Ang doktrina sa Kristiyano bago ka lang kumain ay mananalangin ka at yan ay lilinisin ng Dios kahit na yan ay kinu consider na karumaldumal noong una, manalangin kalang sapagkat lahat na nilalang ng Dios mabuti walang nararapat na itakuwil
Sino ba ang gumawa ng baboy,hipon,kabayo, diba ang Dios?

Alam mo kasi sa panahong Kristiyano binago ng Dios ang batas tungkol sa mga pagkain. Yong bawal sa israel, pagdating ni Kristo binago na yon. Pakibasa:

Hebreo 9:10 Palibhasa'y palatuntunan lamang na ukol sa laman, na iniatang hanggang sa panahon ng pagbabago (gaya ng mga pagkain, at mga inumin at sarisaring paglilinis).

Sa panahong israel yong mga iniatang na mga aral noon,hanggang panahon ng pagbabago lang yon. Talagang Pagdating ni Kristo babaguin yon

Pakibasa ang katunayan:

Hebreo 8:13 Doon sa sinasabi niya, Isang bagong tipan, ay linuma niya ang una. Datapuwa't ang nagiging luma at tumatanda ay malapit ng lumipas.

Sa bagong tipan yong mga dating karumaldumal sa israel
Sa panahong Kristiyano mayroong sinabi si Kristo,nililinis niya ang lahat ng pagkain tapos kailangan lan bago ka kumain manalangin ka at yong pagkain na yon lilinisin ng salita ng Dios ng kapangyarihan ng Dios sa pamamagitan ng panalangin
Kaya kailangan bago ka kumain kahit baboy kahit hipon kahit hito bawal kasi yan sa israel manalangin kalang pasalamatan mo sa Dios pabindisyonan mo sa Dios at hindi mo ikakasama yan
Yan ang sabi ng bagong tipan

The Bible Reader

Do not argue with the Word of God!
Di niyo ba napansin na di na nag sasalita gumawa ng thread na ito?
Do not be deceive!

When words are many, sin is not absent, but he who holds his tongue is wise. Proverbs 10:19"

 

[rayski31]

May mas malala pa kaysa pagkain ng baboy ang pumatay ka ng tao gamit ang pangalang allahu akbar!.