Sino dito yung agnostic?

[Kaplok Kaplok]

why would something be proven false if its existence is not proven in the first place?

Reply kasi yan sa sinabi nya. Spoon feed ulit kita eto sabi nya.
"scientific theories are considered as fact unless proven to be false."

there is no such thing as true in science, it only has the most accepted description of something, kaya big bang may be the most accepted as of the moment and it will stay on the throne as long as there is no conflicting theory made

apir!

 

[plhbg1]

"scientific theories are considered as fact unless proven to be false."

ay oo nga medyo meron kaunting problem sa statement na iyan, yung facts kasi is yung observation kung saan naka based ang theory at hindi yung theory mismo kaya nga once another fact emerge nanganganib talaga yung theory kasi babaguhin siya into new theory where the old and new facts agree together

orientation na pala hahahahaha tapos sa mga sunod na araw, training na nyan


may health insurance ba pag sumali sa group niyo? haha

haha oo nga, kasi baka din maling akala niya lang na agnostic ang fit sa kanya kaya mas mabuting ma-orient upang masigurong alam ang pinasukan

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Atheism is not a religion.
But some claiming atheists can be as biased to their ideas just like theist, falling into dogmatic beliefs, starts preaching their belief, imposing their belief in others.
Now what is the point of being an atheist, if you behave the exact way religions do that you left theism for?

 

[plhbg1]

Atheism is not a religion.
But some claiming atheists can be as biased to their ideas just like theist, falling into dogmatic beliefs, starts preaching their belief, imposing their belief in others.
Now what is the point of being an atheist, if you behave the exact way religions do that you left theism for?

it is a religion because you believe pre-maturely that there is no god, baka biglang ma-prove scientifically yung god ng mga theists matatanggap niyo ba kung sakali?

 

[ToothknocK]

it is a religion because you believe pre-maturely that there is no god, baka biglang ma-prove scientifically yung god ng mga theists matatanggap niyo ba kung sakali?

again with that religion thing? atheism is science based nga, if ma prove na may god then hindi n ako atheist nyan
not only exclusive to god, im an atheist coz i don't believe in anything supernatural or something that break the law of physics.
like ghost,spirits or super powers kahit alin dyan na maprove i will automatically believe in a creator

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

again with that religion thing? atheism is science based nga, if ma prove na may god then hindi n ako atheist nyan
not only exclusive to god, im an atheist coz i don't believe in anything supernatural or something that break the law of physics.
like ghost,spirits or super powers kahit alin dyan na maprove i will automatically believe in a creator

Mejo makulit tlga yan.
Anyway, by definition agnostic ka din. Kasi open ka sa idea (if proven) na maniwala sa God. Yan din nmn position nila as per google definition.

 

[ToothknocK]

Mejo makulit tlga yan.
Anyway, by definition agnostic ka din. Kasi open ka sa idea (if proven) na maniwala sa God. Yan din nmn position nila as per google definition.

agnostic atheist, basically ganyan lahat ng kakilala kung atheist

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

agnostic atheist, basically ganyan lahat ng kakilala kung atheist

Sabagay, belief cant be categorized within boxes. It more of a spectrum.

Sakin nmn i cant claim agnostism at all. Tingin ko, god is just a metaphor. Never intended to be believed in, but designed to be understood.

 

[plhbg1]

Anyway, by definition agnostic ka din. Kasi open ka sa idea (if proven) na maniwala sa God. Yan din nmn position nila as per google definition.

yes agnostic iyan siya and not atheist, atheists are not in doubt that there is no god just like theists not in doubt that there is god, if you are just waiting for science to decide then agnostic scope pa iyan

 

[Asherah Goddess]

Congratulations! Same tayo na meron religious trauma. Hahaha Hindi lang pala ako nag-iisa. Uy. Marami ganyan na tao na meron RTS in short ay Religious Trauma Syndrome. Maraming ganyan tao. It is either na discreet sila or hindi halata or maaaring hindi nila alam na meron sila. Ganun.
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For a fresh look towards religion, try mo manood mga lectures ni jordan peterson. Christian padin siya in practice pero meron siyang mga logical take sa iba't ibang belief system. Mejo mas logical.
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Si Jordan Peterson? Ah. Nakikita ko si Jordan Peterson on video in any social media. Magaling siya mag influence dahil masyadong siyang powerful at masyadong siyang intellectual. Si Jordan Peterson ang itinagurian na custodian of the patriarchy. Meron si Jordan Peterson na abilidad e social conditioning ang mga tao na nakikinig sa kanya at meron siyang kung baga "trope" na everyone simply accept the male dominant patriarchal structure........ mga ganun tipo at pagkatapos meron mga videos si Jordan Peterson na patungkol kung papaano nito na destroy ang mga lefty , feminist , liberals.......... mga ganun? Lalo na sa mga video niya ay meron siya.

Pagkatapos karamihan ng mga lalake ay nag cecelebrate sila kapag si Jordan Peterson on live na nakikita nila kung papaano shina-shut up ang mga feminist na kaharap. He also justify the power hierarchies in society. Patriarchal is a hierarchical structure.

It is a reason why maraming young male ang na dradrawn sa lecture ni Jordan Peterson.

Si Jordan Peterson ay para siyang similar ng leader ng Judaism in a group noon unang panahon which is na forgot ko ang name kung sino na tipong dati rati kase ay malakas mag convince ang leader nito pagdating sa ideology niya. E noon unang panahon ay kahit patriarchal society at meron polytheist deity , malakas pa rin ang infuential ang Goddess. Kung kaya during Pagan ritual na kung saan nag coconduct ang high priestess sa two guys na ang isa sa lalake ay castrated o na remove ang testicles dahil magtatalik ang dalawa , nagalit ang mismong leader ng Judaism.

Para siyang katulad ni Jordan Peterson.​

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Congratulations! Same tayo na meron religious trauma. Hahaha Hindi lang pala ako nag-iisa. Uy. Marami ganyan na tao na meron RTS in short ay Religious Trauma Syndrome. Maraming ganyan tao. It is either na discreet sila or hindi halata or maaaring hindi nila alam na meron sila. Ganun.



Si Jordan Peterson? Ah. Nakikita ko si Jordan Peterson on video in any social media. Magaling siya mag influence dahil masyadong siyang powerful at masyadong siyang intellectual. Si Jordan Peterson ang itinagurian na custodian of the patriarchy. Meron si Jordan Peterson na abilidad e social conditioning ang mga tao na nakikinig sa kanya at meron siyang kung baga "trope" na everyone simply accept the male dominant patriarchal structure........ mga ganun tipo at pagkatapos meron mga videos si Jordan Peterson na patungkol kung papaano nito na destroy ang mga lefty , feminist , liberals.......... mga ganun? Lalo na sa mga video niya ay meron siya.

Pagkatapos karamihan ng mga lalake ay nag cecelebrate sila kapag si Jordan Peterson on live na nakikita nila kung papaano shina-shut up ang mga feminist na kaharap. He also justify the power hierarchies in society. Patriarchal is a hierarchical structure.

It is a reason why maraming young male ang na dradrawn sa lecture ni Jordan Peterson.

Si Jordan Peterson ay para siyang similar ng leader ng Judaism in a group noon unang panahon which is na forgot ko ang name kung sino na tipong dati rati kase ay malakas mag convince ang leader nito pagdating sa ideology niya. E noon unang panahon ay kahit patriarchal society at meron polytheist deity , malakas pa rin ang infuential ang Goddess. Kung kaya during Pagan ritual na kung saan nag coconduct ang high priestess sa two guys na ang isa sa lalake ay castrated o na remove ang testicles dahil magtatalik ang dalawa , nagalit ang mismong leader ng Judaism.

Para siyang katulad ni Jordan Peterson.​

Accusation lng yan dahil sa political stance nya. Pero ung mga video nya na worth intindihin to better explain christianity, lalo kung christianity nmn pinanggalingan mo, makikita yan dun sa mga lecture nya nung nagtuturo palang.

 

[Asherah Goddess]

Accusation lng yan dahil sa political stance nya. Pero ung mga video nya na worth intindihin to better explain christianity, lalo kung christianity nmn pinanggalingan mo, makikita yan dun sa mga lecture nya nung nagtuturo palang.​

Ah okay. Hindi ako nakikinig sa lecture ni Jordan Peterson. Once ako nakinig pero hindi ko nakayanan. Nag skip na ako. Basta ang vibrations na galing sa kanya....... well........ para siyang father figure or a leader ng........ hindi ko kase alam kung ano ang words na pwede ko bitawan but...... siya talaga iyon at wala na ako ma say. Ganun na lang.​

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Ah okay. Hindi ako nakikinig sa lecture ni Jordan Peterson. Once ako nakinig pero hindi ko nakayanan. Nag skip na ako. Basta ang vibrations na galing sa kanya....... well........ para siyang father figure or a leader ng........ hindi ko kase alam kung ano ang words na pwede ko bitawan but...... siya talaga iyon at wala na ako ma say. Ganun na lang.​

Pag woke ka kasi, mahirap tlga. As far i observed, marami kang mga woke belief. Problem with wokeism, mrmi sa mga beliefs jan ay emotionally based.

Si jordan peterson kasi analytic, kaya hnd madali ung lectures nya pag may emotional predisposition ka specially regarding religion, and politics. We can say emotions will cloud your judgement.

At may mga follower din kasi sya na kinukuha ung ideas out of context to push racism and mysogyny. That does mean yun ung tinuturo nya.

Pero kung babasahin mo ung mga works nya, as it is. You'll find na atheist tlga sya in belief, who tried to understand his religion more than most theist did, still practices as christian for convenience and practicality and comfort.

 

[jayendecastro]

paalala ko lang sa iyo na wag ka dumeretso patungong atheism kasi religion din iyon, they are fighting for no god with no proof same with theists fighting for god with no proof, wala talaga sila pinagkaiba, dito sa agnosticism science based tayo dito

most people call us atheists kaya ingatz baka tuluyan kang maging atheist

Pano naging religiion ang atheism?? And ano difference ng gnosticism vs agnosticism??

Pag woke ka kasi, mahirap tlga. As far i observed, marami kang mga woke belief. Problem with wokeism, mrmi sa mga beliefs jan ay emotionally based.

Si jordan peterson kasi analytic, kaya hnd madali ung lectures nya pag may emotional predisposition ka specially regarding religion, and politics. We can say emotions will cloud your judgement.

At may mga follower din kasi sya na kinukuha ung ideas out of context to push racism and mysogyny. That does mean yun ung tinuturo nya.

Pero kung babasahin mo ung mga works nya, as it is. You'll find na atheist tlga sya in belief, who tried to understand his religion more than most theist did, still practices as christian for convenience and practicality and comfort.

I like watching jordan peterson.. i dont agree with him for the most part pero i appreciate ung passion nea sa mga sinasabi nea.. ung viewpoints nea about gender inequality for me is totally right..

atheist here,
natawa lng ako sa nah sabi na religion ang atheism
ang mga atis ay d naniniwala sa dyos kasi wala nmang proof na nag eexist sya.
tsaka hindi pwedeng sabihing walang proof ang mga atis na walang dyos kasi ang burden of proof ay pra dun sa mga nagsasabing nag eexist sya.
atheism is science based, in fact andaming nsa field ng science ang atis like Carl Sagan,Stephen Hawking,Niel DeGrease.
agnostism means hindi ka sure na may dyos pero naniniwala ka pa din,how can u say na science based yan kung hindi ka nga sure in the 1st place?

Un kasi.. gnosticism/agnosticism deals with the knowlegde.. theism/atheism deals with the belief..

An agnostic/gnostic can either be a theist or an atheist..

Correction lang , if i remember correctly, sa personalities na u mentioned.. neil de grasse tyson associates himself with agnosticism…although a lot of people label him as an atheist he personally addressed this and said if needed ang labels and he calls himself an agnostic..

 

[Cyy]

eto yung belief na naniniwala ka na merong diyos, whether kung iisa lang ba siya o marami sila, pero hindi ka naniniwala sa mga practices ng relihiyon.

Parang iglesia ni cristo?

 

[jayendecastro]

yes agnostic iyan siya and not atheist, atheists are not in doubt that there is no god just like theists not in doubt that there is god, if you are just waiting for science to decide then agnostic scope pa iyan

You can be agnostic theist or agnostic atheist nga.. it depends nga..

I KNOW there is a god, therefore i BELIEVE in a god. - gnostic theist
I DONT KNOW if there is a god, but i BELIEVE in a god - agnostic theist
I DONT KNOW if there is a god, so i dont believe in a god. - agnostic atheist
I KNOW there is no god, therefore i DONT BELIEVE in a god - gnostic atheist

Thats how most people i know understands it

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

I like watching jordan peterson.. i dont agree with him for the most part pero i appreciate ung passion nea sa mga sinasabi nea.. ung viewpoints nea about gender inequality for me is totally right..

Oo minsan ansakit sa ulo. Kahit nmn sino magfufumble sa ganun kahihirap na ideas. Pero malki ung consideration na gingawa nya bago gumawa ng isang statements, kinocounter argument na nya agad. Hindi siya nagsesettle lng sa isang idea.

Kaya nirerecommend ko kay TS. Maganda siya pag may conflicts sa beliefs mo regarding religion.

Hindi din kasi healthy mag form ng paniniwala kung iview mo lng to sa lense ng "religious trauma" mo.

 

[JabolWock]

ang dami kasi religion eh tapos kasalanan na pag mali ung pinaniwalaan mo hays

 

[Asherah Goddess]

Ang ibig sabihin ng religious trauma ay occurs when an individual struggles with leaving a religion or a set of beliefs that has led to their indoctrination.

Ito ang list of religious trauma examples :
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• Spiritual abuse: This occurs when a religious leader(s) or religious system tries to control, manipulate, and degrade you.​
• Sexual and physical abuse​
• Emotional abuse​
• Being told you are sinful and going to hell​
• Experiencing shame or being told you’re not worthy of love due to your thoughts or beliefs​
• Fear of expressing yourself or sharing your thoughts​
• Forced to follow your communities rules and expectations​
• Marginalization due to your gender or sexuality​
• The use of scripture to justify abuse or injustice​
• Not feeling free to leave your faith​

Kapag aalis ang tao sa mismong faith , ang sasabihin ay mapupunta siya sa hell kaya hindi siya free dahil sa fear. Fear of going to hell kaya hindi niya maiwan-iwan ang faith niya.

Halimbawa. Sabihin na being homosexual is a sin then nagkataon na homosexual ang tao and hindi niya magawa eexpress ang self niya dahil sa takot na sabihan siya na kasalanan ang pagiging homosexual at mapupunta siya sa hell. Mga ganun ba? Suppressed ika nga. Andoon kase ang guilt at hindi free. Kung baga its difficult to express kaya andoon ang katagang fear of expressing oneself na hindi na healthy mentally and emotionally.

Halimbawa. Kapag hindi na vlrgin ang babae (preferably babae) ay natatakot siya sa family na malaman nila na hindi na vlrgin ang babae dahil baka ma discriminate siya sapagkat naibigay na niya sa lalake na mahal niya pero hindi sila nagkatuluyan at dahil meron ng nakauna sa babae , magkakaroon ang babae ng shame and guilt. Shame and guilt dahil according to their religious beliefs na a woman must give her vlrginity to her first husband. Parang feeling unworthy of being loved by a man dahil according to a bible verse na ganoon dapat and ginagamit siya to justify na everything in a bible is all good and must be followed.

Ganun ang ibig sabihin ng trauma within religion.

Ang tawag nga ay emotional abuse daw.

Ang karaniwan na nakakaranas ng religious trauma ay mga tao na nanggaling sa strict religious background.

Malalaman ng tao kung meron siyang religious trauma kapag na dedepress na siya , nagkakaroon ng anxiety na sobra na sobra na sa pag woworry at saka maraming mental healthy issue ba? Walang self-confidence. Walang self-esteem. Feel niya na gusto mag-isa. Mababa ang skills niya sa pagdidisisyon.

Hindi siya makapag decide- ganun.​

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Ang ibig sabihin ng religious trauma ay occurs when an individual struggles with leaving a religion or a set of beliefs that has led to their indoctrination.

Ito ang list of religious trauma examples :
​

• Spiritual abuse: This occurs when a religious leader(s) or religious system tries to control, manipulate, and degrade you.​
• Sexual and physical abuse​
• Emotional abuse​
• Being told you are sinful and going to hell​
• Experiencing shame or being told you’re not worthy of love due to your thoughts or beliefs​
• Fear of expressing yourself or sharing your thoughts​
• Forced to follow your communities rules and expectations​
• Marginalization due to your gender or sexuality​
• The use of scripture to justify abuse or injustice​
• Not feeling free to leave your faith​

Kapag aalis ang tao sa mismong faith , ang sasabihin ay mapupunta siya sa hell kaya hindi siya free dahil sa fear. Fear of going to hell kaya hindi niya maiwan-iwan ang faith niya.

Halimbawa. Sabihin na being homosexual is a sin then nagkataon na homosexual ang tao and hindi niya magawa eexpress ang self niya dahil sa takot na sabihan siya na kasalanan ang pagiging homosexual at mapupunta siya sa hell. Mga ganun ba? Suppressed ika nga. Andoon kase ang guilt at hindi free. Kung baga its difficult to express kaya andoon ang katagang fear of expressing oneself na hindi na healthy mentally and emotionally.

Halimbawa. Kapag hindi na vlrgin ang babae (preferably babae) ay natatakot siya sa family na malaman nila na hindi na vlrgin ang babae dahil baka ma discriminate siya sapagkat naibigay na niya sa lalake na mahal niya pero hindi sila nagkatuluyan at dahil meron ng nakauna sa babae , magkakaroon ang babae ng shame and guilt. Shame and guilt dahil according to their religious beliefs na a woman must give her vlrginity to her first husband. Parang feeling unworthy of being loved by a man dahil according to a bible verse na ganoon dapat and ginagamit siya to justify na everything in a bible is all good and must be followed.

Ganun ang ibig sabihin ng trauma within religion.

Ang tawag nga ay emotional abuse daw.

Ang karaniwan na nakakaranas ng religious trauma ay mga tao na nanggaling sa strict religious background.

Malalaman ng tao kung meron siyang religious trauma kapag na dedepress na siya , nagkakaroon ng anxiety na sobra na sobra na sa pag woworry at saka maraming mental healthy issue ba? Walang self-confidence. Walang self-esteem. Feel niya na gusto mag-isa. Mababa ang skills niya sa pagdidisisyon.

Hindi siya makapag decide- ganun.​

Very similar ang religious trauma experiences sa abusive relationship. Mahirap umalis. Lagi ikaw mali, so on and so forth..

At kung maka alis ka man, it does not necessarily mean you are free from its effects. Gaya sa relationship, if you are broken by the past, hnd necessarily magiging masaya ka sa ipapalit mo. Dahil ikaw mismo ung broken.

You will be in vain, and desperate if you want to change the status quo kung ano na kalagayan ng religion ngayon, or the greater society for that matter. No one can fix it. The only thing you can and you should do is fix what is within you.

Pag dun ka mag focus kasi sa trauma mo moving forward, you will simply form beliefs out of hate. Nagrerebelde ka lng, at magsusuffer lng din sa consequence ay ikaw. Hindi din yan magiging healthy para sayo.