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[jayendecastro]

Pawards lods, May babasahin nanaman ako HEHE

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[ledin]

I understood your question. I should have provided a well-versed explanation. My bad. Haha. My belief concerning God isn't just merely grounded on human complexity alone. I believe in scientific facts as well.

The thing, Sir, is that whether these human complexities are mere byproducts of science, advanced alien species or a simulated universe, I'd still arrive at the same question: who or what is/are (assuming other possibilities) above these all?

You are right. I questioned my beliefs once, but I've never arrived at the probability that there is no god. My knowledge is limited and so are everyone else's that is why I arrived at the conclusion that there must be a "being" that is higher than us na may gawa nitong lahat.

Hindi naman sadyang ginawa ng tao yung nature, hindi ba? Yung mga hayop, hindi rin naman tayo ang gumawa. Siguro artificially maaari na ngayon o balang-araw pero originally, hindi naman talaga tao ang may gawa kasi kahit tayo wala tayong eksaktong sagot tungkol sa existence natin. Yes, we have scientific and biological studies regarding human anatomy pero we can't deny that these studies does not answer everything about our existence and purpose. I believe in a higher being kasi kung wala na nga talagang higher being pa at tayo nga lang talaga, how are we supposed to explain the existence of other species other than us, e, hindi nga natin ma-explain yung existence nila. Hahaha.

Since I believe in a higher being, the real question I have (for myself) is how did that higher being exist on its own? Doon ako nawawala. Pero kung yung possibility na baka walang higher being, hindi ko siguro matatanggap 'yon sa ngayon.

Nice discussion, by the way. Hahaha.

 

[jayendecastro]

JUDAH, HIS SONS AND TAMAR
GENESIS 38

So Judah met this girl Shua...they got married...they had 3 children - Er, Onan and Shelah... So si Judah eh humanap ng jowa para sa panganay neang si Er...and this girl is Tamar... Eh kaso eto pa lang si Er eh pasaway sa paningin ni god..so god put him to death... So napagbalingan ngayon ni Judah eh ung pangalawang anak nea, si Onan..sabi ni Judah kay Onan..."oy..sipingan mo yang hipag mo, need mo syang mabuntis at duty mo yan bilang bayaw"
So Onan knew na di naman ituturing na anak nea ung ikakabunga ng pakikipagsiping nea kay Tamar...so wat did Onan do?? wí†hdráwal!!
"so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother"...but god thought na iniisahan sya ni Onan so god put him to deatn as well for his wickedness...
So Judah was left with his younest son, Shelah..eh minor pa ung bata..so sabi nea kay Tamar umuwe kA muna sa tatay mo at mamuhay na isang byuda..tutoy pa kasi si putotoy eh este bunso ko..pag hinog na eh baka sakali..pero iniisip ni Judah na baka mamatayan n nmn sya ng anak..so they part ways muna..after sometime namatay nmn ang asawa ni Judah..(di kaya si judah ang problema...kadududa duda na mga deaths around him eh..)... Nung nakapagluksa na si Judah eh nagwork na sya ulit sa mga sheep nea... Somehow nabalitaan ito ni Tamar..so nagdisguise sya..went dun sa lugar na madadaanan ni Judah...tas nakita nea si shelah na binata na..and she was like.."aba wala ng gatas sa labi si Shelah pero wala ata balak na ipatikim sken ah..."
So nung pauwe na si Judah..nakita nea along the road si Tamar(nakadisguise)..eh kala nea prosti..so un nakipagtransact siya...bali ang presyo binigay ni Tamar para sa session nila is isang kambing..so ung nagpledge muna si Judah ng personal belongings nea bilang bayad tas bago nea ipadala ang kambing paguwe nea..smooth transaction eh.... So un..nangyari na..nabuntis si Tamar ni Judah... Tas nung pinapatubos na ni Judah ung gamit nea di na makita ung "prosti"... And after three mos...may kumalat na balita na isang prosti si Tamar at buntis ito... So gigil si Judah at sinabi nea "Sunugin nyo yang babaeng yan!"...(pag sya customer ng prosti game, pag case ng close nea eh poot na poot eh..)... So inilabas ni tamar ung fact na si Judah ang nakabuntis sa kanya kasi nilabas nea belongings ni Judah... Tas si Judah eh sabi na lang..wag na pala sunugin..ako ang mas mali kasi di ko sya ibinigay sa bunso ko....

weird story...especially ung part na spilling ng s3men na pinunish ng death... Used by some religious people to justify na sin ang ********tion at ang natural method of contraceptive

 

[jayendecastro]

I understood your question. I should have provided a well-versed explanation. My bad. Haha. My belief concerning God isn't just merely grounded on human complexity alone. I believe in scientific facts as well.

The thing, Sir, is that whether these human complexities are mere byproducts of science, advanced alien species or a simulated universe, I'd still arrive at the same question: who or what is/are (assuming other possibilities) above these all?

You are right. I questioned my beliefs once, but I've never arrived at the probability that there is no god. My knowledge is limited and so are everyone else's that is why I arrived at the conclusion that there must be a "being" that is higher than us na may gawa nitong lahat.

Hindi naman sadyang ginawa ng tao yung nature, hindi ba? Yung mga hayop, hindi rin naman tayo ang gumawa. Siguro artificially maaari na ngayon o balang-araw pero originally, hindi naman talaga tao ang may gawa kasi kahit tayo wala tayong eksaktong sagot tungkol sa existence natin. Yes, we have scientific and biological studies regarding human anatomy pero we can't deny that these studies does not answer everything about our existence and purpose. I believe in a higher being kasi kung wala na nga talagang higher being pa at tayo nga lang talaga, how are we supposed to explain the existence of other species other than us, e, hindi nga natin ma-explain yung existence nila. Hahaha.

Since I believe in a higher being, the real question I have (for myself) is how did that higher being exist on its own? Doon ako nawawala. Pero kung yung possibility na baka walang higher being, hindi ko siguro matatanggap 'yon sa ngayon.

Nice discussion, by the way. Hahaha.

As far as i know..the scientific consensus on whats behind everything is that no one knows...science does not put forward the notion that "there is a being or beings behind everything that we dont know yet"...its just plain we dont know yet without any presumptions...all the rest are claims.

But yeah, we are all free to make our own conclusions..i, for one, just dont like to make one right now.

And nature is nature. Its natural.. nothing about it for me shows any creator or designer.... Take for example a rock..what is it about a rock that makes u think na may gumawa sa isang bato?

Thats what i was ginna ask u next paps..hahaha... If ur logic is that everything must have come from something,then where does ur higher being came from... And like u said may presumption ka na it exists on its own....why do u apply that reasoning of something existing on its own to that being only and not to everything else? If ur considering na that being can exists on its own, why cant everything else?? Thats what im pointing at..

Everything mustve come from something, and that something is that being. That being mustve come from something as well, right? Then that being is just a mere part of the chain of events that lead us hir...

Even if i consider the idea of a higher being, whats the point of starting this whole thing??

 

[ledin]

I didn't notice your reply. Haha. Sorry.

"What is it about a rock that makes you think that someone created it?"

The rock could not just have existed on its own same with everything else. Napakagaling naman kasi kung biglang nag-exist na lang lahat ng nasa paligid natin including us and other creatures/species. Like what I've said sa nauna kong reply, I believe in a higher being pero I also openly admit that I am stuck with the question na kung may higher being pa nga paano at saan ba talaga nanggaling at ano ba ang totoo at buong purpose? Biblically speaking siguro, oo, may sagot nga ro'n pero I think limited lang din ang "explanation".

Muntik ko na rin namang i-consider before yung sinasabi mo pertaining to the possibility na kung kayang mag-exist nung being na 'yon on its own baka possible na tayo nga rin at ang lahat ng nasa paligid natin, 'no? Kaso the reason why I could not fully consider it is because if we were (and everything else as you've put it) truly capable of doing do, heto na lang:

Best example ay tayo mismong mga tao. Kung kinaya naman pala nating mga tao mag-exist on our own, e'di sana hindi na natin kailangan ang ***** intercourse para makapag-reproduce. Kung kaya naman pala no'ng una pa lang, bakit ngayon hindi na pwede? Ano yun, swertehan lang kung sakali?

As for your question about the point of starting this whole thing, sino bang tao ang totoong nakakaalam ng buong sagot? That is also another reason why hindi ko masabing tayo na yung higher being o yung mga nasa paligid natin simply because tayo nga mismo hindi natin alam ang sagot. Our knowledge may be limited pero hindi namang kailangan na limitahan din ang possibilities.

 

[jayendecastro]

I didn't notice your reply. Haha. Sorry.

"What is it about a rock that makes you think that someone created it?"

The rock could not just have existed on its own same with everything else. Napakagaling naman kasi kung biglang nag-exist na lang lahat ng nasa paligid natin including us and other creatures/species. Like what I've said sa nauna kong reply, I believe in a higher being pero I also openly admit that I am stuck with the question na kung may higher being pa nga paano at saan ba talaga nanggaling at ano ba ang totoo at buong purpose? Biblically speaking siguro, oo, may sagot nga ro'n pero I think limited lang din ang "explanation".

Muntik ko na rin namang i-consider before yung sinasabi mo pertaining to the possibility na kung kayang mag-exist nung being na 'yon on its own baka possible na tayo nga rin at ang lahat ng nasa paligid natin, 'no? Kaso the reason why I could not fully consider it is because if we were (and everything else as you've put it) truly capable of doing do, heto na lang:

Best example ay tayo mismong mga tao. Kung kinaya naman pala nating mga tao mag-exist on our own, e'di sana hindi na natin kailangan ang ***** intercourse para makapag-reproduce. Kung kaya naman pala no'ng una pa lang, bakit ngayon hindi na pwede? Ano yun, swertehan lang kung sakali?

As for your question about the point of starting this whole thing, sino bang tao ang totoong nakakaalam ng buong sagot? That is also another reason why hindi ko masabing tayo na yung higher being o yung mga nasa paligid natin simply because tayo nga mismo hindi natin alam ang sagot. Our knowledge may be limited pero hindi namang kailangan na limitahan din ang possibilities.

As for the rock, you didnt provide an answer as to what makes u think it was created by someone. You just present an assumption na it cant exist on its own. U didnt present any quality of a rock that makes it created.

Reproduction is part of the process in propagating a species..whether its a microorganism to other complex life forms. If a particular specie stop reproducing at some point then it probably will cease to exist after some time. That will however not change the fact that such specie existed.

We are going back and forth with this. So i guess its best na we agree to disagree and leave this subject with this:

We both agree na we dont know everything yet.
Given that fact, i dont make any assumptions about anything. U on the other hand make an assumption of a being thats behind all these.
You say this is the case because "everything cant exist on its own". But u dont apply that same reasoning to that being. Basically, you're making two assumptions even after agreeing na we dont know everything.

I dunno if you believe in big bang, abiogenesis and evolution but thats where stand on this rests. Or maybe u do then u just happen to believe in another factor in that equation which is your higher being.

But i cant believe that someone is behind all these given how long the process took for life to emerge...and why AS FAR AS WE KNOW NOW eh no other life forms are present within our universe. We have disease, calamities. Outside of our planet eh hostile ang environment to life. So given all that i dont see how it was created by some being with that much flaws.

 

[ledin]

Hahaha. I believe in scientific facts. I believe in a higher being too. That is possible, Sir. I believe in the concept of evolution kaya nga sinasabi kong may inconsistencies akong napansin, diba?

My knowledge is limited and so are yours. We're just the same. Also, I beg to differ. We are both just making assumptions here. I assume that there is a higher being and you assume that everything/everyone possibly existed on its/their own. Am I not correct? If not, then what theory or concept do you precisely believe in with regard the existence of everything?

We both do not have grounded facts regarding our assumptions and beliefs. I think it's safe to say that the difference that we have is that you chose to limit your beliefs based on what you just know and see (pinakamalapit siguro na konsepto dito ay yung to "see is to believe" na mindset). I can't blame you. It is truly hard to accept something you could not prove. As for myself, my knowledge is limited pero pagdating sa paniniwala at possibilities (especially of a higher being), hindi. Choosing not to believe in a possible existence of a higher being is entirely up to you kagaya ng it is entirely up to people like me kung maniniwala kami. Hindi naman natin kailangang pilitin ang paniniwala natin sa isa't isa kasi pareho lang namang may loopholes, sa totoo lang. Salamat sa magandang diskusyon!

 

[ledin]

As for the rock, I stand by my answer. Hahaha. I was referring to its existence, whereas upon analyzing you are expecting something scientific yata eh. Sure, I accept the scientific explanation for its formation pero I am referring to something beyond the scientific explanations with regard the formation and qualities of a rock. Hahaha. Last na ito. Yun lang.

 

[Eseru]

can I just say, I enjoyed reading this peaceful discussion between you two \o/
a proof that two individuals with differing beliefs can still have a debate/argument/discussion without it ending into nonsensical throwing of insults.


and no one saying that they're being bullied just because they can't answer an argument that's been thrown at them.

 

[ledin]

[XX='Eseru, c: 353429, m: 839651'][/XX] minsan, nasa pagdadala talaga yan ng usapan, lods. Hahaha. I believe that the goal of every discussion is to be educated. Matututo rin kasi tayo sa kausap natin eh. Hahaha. Kung una pa lang kasi ang tingin na natin agad sa taong taliwas sa paniniwala natin ay ka-argue o ka-debate, ang magiging goal agad natin unconsciously ay i-defend lang talaga ang paniniwala natin para manalo kaya gulo talaga lagi ang kahahantungan.

Kaya ako I always prefer the term na "discussion" para natatatak ko na sa utak ko na I am not having an argument at hindi kaaway ang kausap ko. Sine-set ko yung utak ko na I am just having a healthy discussion with someone or a friend. Hahaha. Thanks!

 

[jayendecastro]

Hahaha. I believe in scientific facts. I believe in a higher being too. That is possible, Sir. I believe in the concept of evolution kaya nga sinasabi kong may inconsistencies akong napansin, diba?

My knowledge is limited and so are yours. We're just the same. Also, I beg to differ. We are both just making assumptions here. I assume that there is a higher being and you assume that everything/everyone possibly existed on its/their own. Am I not correct? If not, then what theory or concept do you precisely believe in with regard the existence of everything?

We both do not have grounded facts regarding our assumptions and beliefs. I think it's safe to say that the difference that we have is that you chose to limit your beliefs based on what you just know and see (pinakamalapit siguro na konsepto dito ay yung to "see is to believe" na mindset). I can't blame you. It is truly hard to accept something you could not prove. As for myself, my knowledge is limited pero pagdating sa paniniwala at possibilities (especially of a higher being), hindi. Choosing not to believe in a possible existence of a higher being is entirely up to you kagaya ng it is entirely up to people like me kung maniniwala kami. Hindi naman natin kailangang pilitin ang paniniwala natin sa isa't isa kasi pareho lang namang may loopholes, sa totoo lang. Salamat sa magandang diskusyon!

scientific facts and a higher being are two opposite sides of a fence as far as i know. i dont know of any scientific fact that make such claim. if there is one i would like to look into it.

as for the concept of existence, this is what appeal to: bigbang, abiogenesis and evolution by natural section. thats it.

to clarify, im not making the assumption that there is no higher being prior to big bang. i am simply rejecting your assumption that there is one. You somehow make that assumption because of the limited knowledge we have and lack of grounded facts, and i am rejecting that assumption for the very same reason.

and its not the too see is to believe mindset. i am not "choosing to limit my belief", its just that the limitations are in our knowledge and facts. and until such time that we surpass those limitations, im not compelled to believe in a notion of a higher being that started everything.

again i also have to reject your reasoning that everything cant exists on its own therefore a higher being because that will just lead to an infinite regress.

lastly, i agree. we all have different reasoning and interpretation of things. im not gonna force you to deny your belief in that being just as your not gonna force me to believe in it.

agree to disagree na tayo about this..ot na ko sa NSFW topic ko eh...hahahaha..

nice talk paps!

 

[jayendecastro]

can I just say, I enjoyed reading this peaceful discussion between you two \o/
a proof that two individuals with differing beliefs can still have a debate/argument/discussion without it ending into nonsensical throwing of insults.


and no one saying that they're being bullied just because they can't answer an argument that's been thrown at them.

thanks paps!

i dont know why some people say na "ayaw nila makipagdebate"... though technically ang goal ng typical na debate is to win, i somehow dont see it that way. for me its an intellectual exercise na will make you reevaluate your position about a certain argument. if my argument sticks then good. if it doesnt then ill learn a thing or two, and that is also a good thing.

insults or pa-victim tactics usually starts off when people cant argue their point well especially when they cant admit they are wrong.

but i have to say tho, some individuals are SOOOOOO worth the insults...char! hahahaha

back to the topic na tayo.. hihihihi

 

[ChIN0 CAstRo]

Madali lang po yang tanong nyo nayan kung, bakit di kadalasang natatalakay yan sa mga church service, kasi dipende din po kasi un sa irereveal ng Lord sa, mga lingkod ng Lord katulad ng Pastors, priest etc. Dapat kasi di pinapangunahan ang Lord sa pagmemessage. Maiintindihan mo yan at magkakaroon ka, ng kasagutan kung sasamahan mo ng prayer at subukan mo pong pumasok sa theology or seminary. Godbless.

 

[jayendecastro]

Madali lang po yang tanong nyo nayan kung, bakit di kadalasang natatalakay yan sa mga church service, kasi dipende din po kasi un sa irereveal ng Lord sa, mga lingkod ng Lord katulad ng Pastors, priest etc. Dapat kasi di pinapangunahan ang Lord sa pagmemessage. Maiintindihan mo yan at magkakaroon ka, ng kasagutan kung sasamahan mo ng prayer at subukan mo pong pumasok sa theology or seminary. Godbless.

Ohw really??? Ganon ba un?? Weird pala na some ng nirereveal ni lord mo sa mga religious leaders eh kung ano ung "trending" at the time.. like pag mahal na araw, pasko, eleksyon, etc....so sa mga ganong okasyos consistent na ung mga ganong stories ang natatalakay... Tapos ung sa mga normal days eh depende kung ano meron sa panahon na yun, right??

And can i ask din...di ba nareveal na yang sa book na yan before to some people...why does it need to be reveal pa now kung aling previous revelations ang ididiscuss??? Wasnt ung nireveal ni god before eh good for all of mankind for all of times na??

And one more thing, why is it that ur lord is revealing himself to some people lang and not to all of us?? If he really wants his message to be received by everyone eh bat inaatas nea ang responsibility sa ibang tao. Sa tao na pd mamisinterpret ang sinasabi nea, na pd ulit ma misinterpret ng intended receiver...

Im pretty sure na god has all the power to reveal himself to everyone if he chooses to do so...pero di nangyayari eh... Un sana ang mas convenient way to deliver a msg...di ung second hand, third hand, etc info ang nakakarating sa tao.

But anw... About the topic.. pls do update dito if ever madiscuss sa worship nyo ganang stories...i highly doubt it..pero just in case....

 

[ChIN0 CAstRo]

Ohw really??? Ganon ba un?? Weird pala na some ng nirereveal ni lord mo sa mga religious leaders eh kung ano ung "trending" at the time.. like pag mahal na araw, pasko, eleksyon, etc....so sa mga ganong okasyos consistent na ung mga ganong stories ang natatalakay... Tapos ung sa mga normal days eh depende kung ano meron sa panahon na yun, right??

And can i ask din...di ba nareveal na yang sa book na yan before to some people...why does it need to be reveal pa now kung aling previous revelations ang ididiscuss??? Wasnt ung nireveal ni god before eh good for all of mankind for all of times na??

And one more thing, why is it that ur lord is revealing himself to some people lang and not to all of us?? If he really wants his message to be received by everyone eh bat inaatas nea ang responsibility sa ibang tao. Sa tao na pd mamisinterpret ang sinasabi nea, na pd ulit ma misinterpret ng intended receiver...

Im pretty sure na god has all the power to reveal himself to everyone if he chooses to do so...pero di nangyayari eh... Un sana ang mas convenient way to deliver a msg...di ung second hand, third hand, etc info ang nakakarating sa tao.

But anw... About the topic.. pls do update dito if ever madiscuss sa worship nyo ganang stories...i highly doubt it..pero just in case....

Hehehe. Muka ka naman pong edukadong tao at nagaral. Balikan po natin sinabi mo hehehe "And can i ask din...di ba nareveal na yang sa book na yan before to some people...why does it need to be reveal pa now kung aling previous revelations ang ididiscuss??? Wasnt ung nireveal ni god before eh good for all of mankind for all of times na??". Bakit kapo nagaral sa paaralan kung ung iba naman ay napagaralan na at nadiscuss na nang iba? Why?
Nabasa mo na po ba ung buong Bible? May sagot po dito sa tanong nyu na ito (" Im pretty sure na god has all the power to reveal himself to everyone if he chooses to do so...pero di nangyayari eh... Un sana ang mas convenient way to deliver a msg...di ung second hand, third hand, etc info ang nakakarating sa tao.") sabi po sa
Jeremiah 33:3
Call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you great and hidden things that you have not known.
God is Always there to answer your questions. Need mo lang buksan ung puso mo, i set aside mo muna kung gano ka kagaling o gano ka katalino. Through prayer sasagutin Nya lahat ng tanong sa isip mo. I'm 100% sure makakasumpong ka ng kasagutan kung ang hinahanp mo ay 1st hand na revelation sa Lord. Hehe i will pray for you always.
Proverbs 2:1-5
My son, if you receive my words and treasure up my commandments with you, making your ear attentive to wisdom and inclining your heart to understanding; yes, if you call out for insight and raise your voice for understanding, if you seek it like silver and search for it as for hidden treasures, then you will understand the fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of God.

 

[ChIN0 CAstRo]

Panoodin mo din ang The Case For Christ. Hehehe. Godbless.

 

[jayendecastro]

Hehehe. Muka ka naman pong edukadong tao at nagaral. Balikan po natin sinabi mo hehehe "And can i ask din...di ba nareveal na yang sa book na yan before to some people...why does it need to be reveal pa now kung aling previous revelations ang ididiscuss??? Wasnt ung nireveal ni god before eh good for all of mankind for all of times na??". Bakit kapo nagaral sa paaralan kung ung iba naman ay napagaralan na at nadiscuss na nang iba? Why?
Nabasa mo na po ba ung buong Bible? May sagot po dito sa tanong nyu na ito (" Im pretty sure na god has all the power to reveal himself to everyone if he chooses to do so...pero di nangyayari eh... Un sana ang mas convenient way to deliver a msg...di ung second hand, third hand, etc info ang nakakarating sa tao.") sabi po sa
Jeremiah 33:3
Call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you great and hidden things that you have not known.
God is Always there to answer your questions. Need mo lang buksan ung puso mo, i set aside mo muna kung gano ka kagaling o gano ka katalino. Through prayer sasagutin Nya lahat ng tanong sa isip mo. I'm 100% sure makakasumpong ka ng kasagutan kung ang hinahanp mo ay 1st hand na revelation sa Lord. Hehe i will pray for you always.
Proverbs 2:1-5
My son, if you receive my words and treasure up my commandments with you, making your ear attentive to wisdom and inclining your heart to understanding; yes, if you call out for insight and raise your voice for understanding, if you seek it like silver and search for it as for hidden treasures, then you will understand the fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of God.

Ohw..compare mo sa pag aaral sa school?? Okay sge...granting that we go to school to learn things na we dont know yet, yang ang basic fundamental ng education. Pero heres the thing why ur analogy doesnt work.. sa school di na need ang ang revelation kung ano ang pag aaralan ng studyante, the same as kung ano anh ituturo ng instructor. Im assuming na edukado ka din at may pinagaralan so i guess alam mo ang educational curriculum. A teacher cant just deviate away from that curriculum based on what he feels eh revelation sa kanya. Furthermore..sa setup ng education system eh di mo need ulitin ang lesson about a certain subject during a particular season ng taon ever year. Di naglelesson ng photosynthesis ng March of every year. Religious worships tends to do that depending on the season, eg. Christmas, holy week, feast ng isang saint, etc.

Buksan ang puso is the lamest reasoning ive heard. And yes ive read the bible, ive prayed before and once upon a time a sincerely believe all of that... So dont paint it as if ako ung may deficiency...or those people that god have not revealed himself to has a problem...

Actually its more than just the issue of god playing favorites sa pagrereveal nea ng sarili nea...issues will arise sa mga taong nagcclaim n god revealed himself to them.

Ikaw, wil u believe every person na magcclaim ng ganon? If no, pano mo madedetermine na totoo ang sinasabi nila?
If yes, then u have no problem believing any claim na sabihin sayo. Pls enlighten me.

 

[ChIN0 CAstRo]

Ohw really??? Ganon ba un?? Weird pala na some ng nirereveal ni lord mo sa mga religious leaders eh kung ano ung "trending" at the time.. like pag mahal na araw, pasko, eleksyon, etc....so sa mga ganong okasyos consistent na ung mga ganong stories ang natatalakay... Tapos ung sa mga normal days eh depende kung ano meron sa panahon na yun, right??

And can i ask din...di ba nareveal na yang sa book na yan before to some people...why does it need to be reveal pa now kung aling previous revelations ang ididiscuss??? Wasnt ung nireveal ni god before eh good for all of mankind for all of times na??

And one more thing, why is it that ur lord is revealing himself to some people lang and not to all of us?? If he really wants his message to be received by everyone eh bat inaatas nea ang responsibility sa ibang tao. Sa tao na pd mamisinterpret ang sinasabi nea, na pd ulit ma misinterpret ng intended receiver...

Im pretty sure na god has all the power to reveal himself to everyone if he chooses to do so...pero di nangyayari eh... Un sana ang mas convenient way to deliver a msg...di ung second hand, third hand, etc info ang nakakarating sa tao.

But anw... About the topic.. pls do update dito if ever madiscuss sa worship nyo ganang stories...i highly doubt it..pero just in case....

Hehehehe.. Nadidiscuss din ang mga bagay na ganyan saming church service or fellowship hehehe. Di lang iyan.

Ohw..compare mo sa pag aaral sa school?? Okay sge...granting that we go to school to learn things na we dont know yet, yang ang basic fundamental ng education. Pero heres the thing why ur analogy doesnt work.. sa school di na need ang ang revelation kung ano ang pag aaralan ng studyante, the same as kung ano anh ituturo ng instructor. Im assuming na edukado ka din at may pinagaralan so i guess alam mo ang educational curriculum. A teacher cant just deviate away from that curriculum based on what he feels eh revelation sa kanya. Furthermore..sa setup ng education system eh di mo need ulitin ang lesson about a certain subject during a particular season ng taon ever year. Di naglelesson ng photosynthesis ng March of every year. Religious worships tends to do that depending on the season, eg. Christmas, holy week, feast ng isang saint, etc.

Buksan ang puso is the lamest reasoning ive heard. And yes ive read the bible, ive prayed before and once upon a time a sincerely believe all of that... So dont paint it as if ako ung may deficiency...or those people that god have not revealed himself to has a problem...

Actually its more than just the issue of god playing favorites sa pagrereveal nea ng sarili nea...issues will arise sa mga taong nagcclaim n god revealed himself to them.

Ikaw, wil u believe every person na magcclaim ng ganon? If no, pano mo madedetermine na totoo ang sinasabi nila?
If yes, then u have no problem believing any claim na sabihin sayo. Pls enlighten me.

Di ka makakahanap ng sagot kung ang tingin mo po sa sarili mo ee parang alam na ang lahat. Kung sa tingin mo or kung pinaninindigan mo na walang nagaganap na revelation sa mga schools then you're wrong. Do some research hehehe. Kung nabasa mona talaga ang buong Bible nandun ang mga sagot sa mga tanong mo. Sa tingin ko di mo pa nababasa ang buong bible. Genesis to revelation.

Pray ka lang with humbleness.. Dika talaga makakahanap ng sagot at di mo mararanasan ung REVELATION sayo ng Lord kung ikaw mismo ay kumikilos o nagpapakita na parang alam mo na ang lahat ng bagay sa mundo. Pati nga sarili mong buhok di mo yan bilang. Kaya don't act that you know everything.Ang pagmamataas ang isa sa mga dahilan kung bakit ayaw ng tao na tanggapin si Hesus bilang Tagapagligtas. Ang hindi pagamin sa kasalanan at hindi pagkilala na walang magagawa ang tao sa kanyang sariling kakayahan upang magkaroon ng buhay na walang hanggan ang laging humahadlaang sa mga mapagmataas na tao. Hindi natin dapat ipagyabang ang ating sarili; Kung gusto nating magyabang, ang dapat nating ipagyabang ay ang kaluwalhatian ng Diyos. Ang anumang sinasabi natin tungkol sa ating sarili ay walang kuwenta kumpara sa mga ginawa ng Diyos. Ang sinasabi ng Diyos tungkol sa atin ang pinakamahalaga sa lahat (2 Corinto 10:13). I DON'T HATE YOU. I WILL PRAY FOR YOU ALWAYS. JESUS LOVES YOU.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

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Hehehehe.. Nadidiscuss din ang mga bagay na ganyan saming church service or fellowship hehehe. Di lang iyan.

Weeeeh... Like alin jan...cite ka nga example and how did that particular service went??
Ilang beses na ndiscuss senyo ang incest?? Ansabi ng mga bata sa church service nyo??

Di ka makakahanap ng sagot kung ang tingin mo po sa sarili mo ee parang alam na ang lahat. Kung sa tingin mo or kung pinaninindigan mo na walang nagaganap na revelation sa mga schools then you're wrong. Do some research hehehe. Kung nabasa mona talaga ang buong Bible nandun ang mga sagot sa mga tanong mo. Sa tingin ko di mo pa nababasa ang buong bible. Genesis to revelation.

Nope, i never said or implied na alam ko na ang lahat. Multiple occasions ko ng sinabi na hindi ko alam lahat and so does everyone else.

May new learnings and ideas sa field ng education. Thats a fact. But we dont usually call them "revelations".... Ikaw ang nagsabi na may revelations si god sa mga church leaders kung ano ang magiging theme or subject ng church service on a given day, i just said na thats not the same sa school setup when u tried to make them analagous. By all means pakiprovide ung naresearch mo na "revelations" ng higher being sa classroom.

Ive read the bible like i said...i was raised catholic and touched on other christian nominations. I was also schooled from prep to highschool, and a year in college sa catholic schools. So the teachings and rituals of the bible is not something im not aware of. Are you trying to invalidate my credential sa pagcriticize sa bible because you think u understand it better? And lets say u do, and nadiscuss nman kamo sa services nyo ganang stories then pls, ano insight mo sa incest and why such acts are on the bible?

Pray ka lang with humbleness.. Dika talaga makakahanap ng sagot at di mo mararanasan ung REVELATION sayo ng Lord kung ikaw mismo ay kumikilos o nagpapakita na parang alam mo na ang lahat ng bagay sa mundo. Pati nga sarili mong buhok di mo yan bilang. Kaya don't act that you know everything.Ang pagmamataas ang isa sa mga dahilan kung bakit ayaw ng tao na tanggapin si Hesus bilang Tagapagligtas. Ang hindi pagamin sa kasalanan at hindi pagkilala na walang magagawa ang tao sa kanyang sariling kakayahan upang magkaroon ng buhay na walang hanggan ang laging humahadlaang sa mga mapagmataas na tao. Hindi natin dapat ipagyabang ang ating sarili; Kung gusto nating magyabang, ang dapat nating ipagyabang ay ang kaluwalhatian ng Diyos. Ang anumang sinasabi natin tungkol sa ating sarili ay walang kuwenta kumpara sa mga ginawa ng Diyos. Ang sinasabi ng Diyos tungkol sa atin ang pinakamahalaga sa lahat (2 Corinto 10:13). I DON'T HATE YOU. I WILL PRAY FOR YOU ALWAYS. JESUS LOVES YOU.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Again, i used to believe in that stuff... I was sincerely believing that dati. So if ur implying that not humble enough, or im not welcoming and open enough eh ur wrong... Im not ginna judge u and tell na yang "feeling" mo na its true isnt real. It is... Pero just because u believe its true doesnt mean that it is.. unless of cors u can demonstrate it.

And back to the topic.. ganan ang sinabi ko... Ung "kaluwalhatian" and "good verses" eh quote kayo ng quote. Why dont u quote ung mga stories na binanggit dito sa thread and share ur thoughts on it....or maybe share ur fave or least fave na story ss bible na ganon ang theme.