Sa mga Marcos supporters, ano pong source, libro, etc ang nabasa nyo about The Marcos Sr. Era?

[Away From Keyboard]

ako matanda na ako, wag nyu ako paniwala-an.. nag spit lang ako nang facts and rhymes.

 

[PHC - JayTheGreat]

Try reading Debunked by Rigoberto Tiglao

Pati yung Turmoil and Triumph by George Shultz
Malalaman mo totoong nangyari noon

 

[Nukuvied]

Try reading Debunked by Rigoberto Tiglao

Pati yung Turmoil and Triumph by George Shultz
Malalaman mo totoong nangyari noon

gusto ko sana din itry basahin yan boss,

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[PHC - JayTheGreat]

gusto ko sana din itry basahin yan boss,

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Siguroo boss basahin mo muna kasi tugma 'yung sinabi ni George Shultz sa sinabi n'ya sa libro n'ya. 'Yang si George Shultz ay dating Kalihim ng Estados Unidos noong panahon ni FEM and nakasulat doon sa librong 'yon yung mga ginawang desisyon ng America para sa Ph. 'Yang Vera Files ay parang rappler, madalas din magkalat pero most of the times ay credible naman.

 

[mamaw001]

... 'Yang Vera Files ay parang rappler, madalas din magkalat pero most of the times ay credible naman.

on fact checking.. sino ba talaga and dapat paniwalaan?

vera files may claim that their version of truth ay totoo, others might say otherwise.
sino ba sila at dapat ba natin silang pagkatiwalaan? sa tingin ko, relevant talaga na i-reveal ang fundsourcing nga mga independent media.
for traditional media alam naman natin may advertisements, promotions at etc silang pwedeng pagkakitaan out of mass media.
but for independent media? i dont know, their articles could be sponsored. editorials tailored to fit certain interests.

may info ba kayo nito

 

[PHC - JayTheGreat]

on fact checking.. sino ba talaga and dapat paniwalaan?

vera files may claim that their version of truth ay totoo, others might say otherwise.
sino ba sila at dapat ba natin silang pagkatiwalaan? sa tingin ko, relevant talaga na i-reveal ang fundsourcing nga mga independent media.
for traditional media alam naman natin may advertisements, promotions at etc silang pwedeng pagkakitaan out of mass media.
but for independent media? i dont know, their articles could be sponsored. editorials tailored to fit certain interests.

may info ba kayo nito

Yan nga din e
Para kasing iba-iba point of view noong mga authors
More like ayaw nilang kini-criticize or nagkakamali sila. Yung sources kasi minsan ng independent media ay iba rin like iba-iba rin ng sources pati pag-independent media paramg sponsored sila ng private sectors kaya may nakahawak sa leeg nila. Kaya minsan ayoko nalang maki-alam sa politics e.

 

[mamaw001]

Kaya minsan ayoko nalang maki-alam sa politics e.

kailangan natin maki alam bos. kahit papano. hehe

keep an open mind na lang ika nga. and always be vigilant.
hindi talaga black and white ang pulitika. walang tama na walang mali. napakadaming gray area
mahirap din sabihin na panig ka sa katotohanan. kung hindi mo rin talaga alam ang buong storya.
mainam na maging respectful na tao nalang talaga..
and be a good person. dun talaga magsisimula ang lahat

 

[plhbg1]

on fact checking.. sino ba talaga and dapat paniwalaan?

kunin mo lang yung mga documents, wag pansinin ang mga paliwanag, ikaw na mismo mag interpret sa document na hawak mo, pag may paliwanag meron na iyan bias, dapat sa iyo mismo manggaling ang interpretation, importante may kopya ka ng documents galing mismo sa taong pinag uusapan

 

[Wamey]

iyak mga kakampinks na

 

[Away From Keyboard]

kunin mo lang yung mga documents, wag pansinin ang mga paliwanag, ikaw na mismo mag interpret sa document na hawak mo, pag may paliwanag meron na iyan bias, dapat sa iyo mismo manggaling ang interpretation, importante may kopya ka ng documents galing mismo sa taong pinag uusapan

tama. yung purpose talaga nang mga yan dito is to instigate a debate.. bale pababasahin ka nila nang buong libro. nag troll lang mga yan dito same sa mga babyM trolls.

 

[kuyamarfs]

Yun nga yun boss, maganda ang may difference. Talagang malalaman ang totoo. Kasi lahat naman talaga naman ng bagay may pagkakaiba.

for me naman is what if ang mga matanungan mo is anti marcos or pro marcos .. hirap din kasi mag tanong kahit sa mga elder.. like yung iba sabihin natin na di sila against pero sa sobrang hirap ng buhay nila dati sinisisi nila gobyerno ..

kaya much better parin na ma retrieve ang data.. kasi on my own opinion is kung di talaga magulo ang pinas dati bakit nagpatupad si marcos ng ML sa buong pilipinas not like GMA sa maguindanao lang and PRRD is sa mindanao lang..

 

[MjC9999]

for me naman is what if ang mga matanungan mo is anti marcos or ρrø marcos .. hirap din kasi mag tanong kahit sa mga elder.. like yung iba sabihin natin na di sila against pero sa sobrang hirap ng buhay nila dati sinisisi nila gobyerno ..

kaya much better parin na ma retrieve ang data.. kasi on my own opinion is kung di talaga magulo ang pinas dati bakit nagpatupad si marcos ng ML sa buong pilipinas not like GMA sa maguindanao lang and PRRD is sa mindanao lang..

For sure magulo talaga dati hanggang ngayon pero mas nabawasan. Sobrang napakalayo rin ng pinagkaiba kumpara sa ngayon.

Ang tanong, bakit nga ba siya nagpatupad noon ng ML? Ano ang dahilan? Dahil ba marami ng kumakalat na kasamaan o dahil trip niya lang? O ano nga ba?

 

[kuyamarfs]

For sure magulo talaga dati hanggang ngayon pero mas nabawasan. Sobrang napakalayo rin ng pinagkaiba kumpara sa ngayon.

Ang tanong, bakit nga ba siya nagpatupad noon ng ML? Ano ang dahilan? Dahil ba marami ng kumakalat na kasamaan o dahil trip niya lang? O ano nga ba?

uhmm ang pagkatanda ko is nagpatupad "daw" sya ng ML kasi para ma extend pa ang pag upo nya and nalaman ng taong bayan na malaki na pala utang ng pinas na sa pagkakatanda ko is naissue din ata yung collection ni Imelda na bag.. tamad na kasi ako maghanap ng source ngayon paps eh sori wala ako mapakitang source..

tbh is dito lang ako nakipag usap about dito kasi napaansin ko na open minded halos lahat ng nag comment eh .. not like sa fb and tiktok.. once na nagsabi about ML and pagnanakaw eh di na nakikipag argument ng maayos.. and once na ma corner na wala na sila iba masabi and lahat ng binatong fact sa kanila is wala lang .. isusupport parin nila gusto nila ..

 

[onegig]

Totoo Yung tallion Gold, depende nalang kung gagamitin ni BBM sa masama or Hindi, Basta ako binoto ko sya at SI Sarah Kasama so Robin for peace talk between Muslim and Christians dahil naniniwala ako sa kanila at bukod dun si Marcos at Duterte pareho may dugong waray Kasi nanay ni Marcos na si Imelda taga Tolosa Leyte tapos si PRRD Naman pinanganak sa Southern Leyte

HINDI PO TOTOO ANG TALLANO GOLD EVEN SI SIR BBM INAMIN NIYA NAMAN SA INTERVIEW NYA BEFORE NA NEVER SIYANG NAKAKITA NG GOLD NA PAG MAMAY-ARI NILA. ITO PO WITH SOURCE PO. MAHALAGA PO TALAGA NA MAALAM TAYO MAG FACT CHECK, DI PO YUNG KUNG ANO MAKITA SA TIKTOK AT YøùTùbé PANINIWALAAN NA. MAS MANIWALA TAYO SA EKSPERTO AT MGA NAG ARAL NG HISTORY.

PS - di po ako nakikipag talo or what here. and di rin po ako against sa mga pro bbm. gusto ko lang po sabihin dito na SANA di po tayo basta-basta naniniwala sa nakikita natin at ikakalat, matuto muna po tayong magsaliksik ng mabuti para ang isang fake news ay di na kumalat pa at makapang linlang ng isipan ng iba.



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A post on Facebook dated September 24, 2018 states that former president Ferdinand Marcos was ρáíd in gold by the “Tallano royal family of the Philippines” for being their lawyer.

The so-called royal family, whose last name is Tallano, is said to have ruled over a kingdom called Maharlika that was made up of the Philippines, Brunei, South Borneo, Hawaii, the Spratly Islands, and Sabah before Spain colonized our country.

They allegedly “owned” our country until the mid-18th century.

Our national hero Jose Rizal was supposedly a direct descendant of the Tallano family.

The Tallanos was said to have ρáíd Marcos “192 thousand tons of gold” because they hired him to be their lawyer before he became a politician.

Accompanying the post is a photo of Marcos and his wife, former first lady Imelda Marcos, superimposed over a photo of gold bars. Another photo superimposed over the gold bars is of President Rodrigo Duterte. Text on the photo reads: “Marcos gold will save the world!”

The post has more than 79,000 shares and more than 5,000 comments as of posting. It was emailed to us to check through factcheck@rappler.com.

Rating: FALSE

The Facts: There is no historical proof that a royal family called Tallano ruled over a kingdom called Maharlika during pre-colonial Philippines.

Rappler consulted historian and Assistant Professorial Lecturer of History at De La Salle University Xiao Chua, and he presented 5 questions in response to the post:

1. Where is the title?

There are no land titles that prove that a Tallano family owns the entire Philippine archipelago.

According toYou do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., Julian Tallano claimed that he was the heir Rajah Soliman and Lapu-Lapu and a descendant of King Luisong Tagean.

In 2002, the Court of Appeals (CA) issued a temporary restraining order (TRO) on 3 Pasay court rulings that validated Tallano’s claim. These rulings were by Pasay City Judge Ernesto Reyes on July 7, 1997, July 11, 2001, and October 8, 2001.

A report about the TRO published by theYou do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. in 2002 says that Office of the Solicitor General filed a petition with the CA assailing the validity of the Pasay court’s ruling and the 3 fake titles that laid claim to the Philippines.

According to the Star, the petition explained that the “sheer area covered constitutes more than conclusive evidence regarding the spurious character of said titles…”

2. Is there a mention of the name Tallano in any documents from the Spanish regime? From the Blair and Robertson collection of documents? 3. Was there a historical document from Spanish period citing Maharlika as a place name in the Philippines?

Emma Helen Blair and James Alexander Robertson edited a 55 volume book of primary source Philippine history documents that covers 1493 to 1898.

The words “Tallano” and “Maharlika” are not mentioned in the You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. collection of documents in relation to the name of a place or kingdom.

There are also no records that show that one family in the Philippines ruled over the other datus’ kingdoms on the archipelago.

In historian William Henry Scott’s You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., published in 1992, he spoke about the 4 societal classes that existed during the pre-colonial era. He said that the Spaniards thought datus were kings – until they realized that they did not have power over other kingdoms or other datus.

The Marcos-approved history book Tadhana: The History of the Filipino People also says that by the time navigator Miguel Lopez de Legazpi set foot in the Philippines, the country’s many groups were not unified: “A pan-Filipino state however had yet to emerge, although in response to grave, strange, if exciting forces indigenous sates of varying sizes had emerged.”

4. If they were lawyered by Ferdinand Marcos and Jose W. Diokno, and if it was such a big case, was there a mention of the Tallanos in any of their writings, speeches, or credible biographies?

Historian and Ateneo de Manila University history professor Ambeth Ocampo, who has Marcos’ diaries, called the claim about the Tallano family “doubtful.”

In biographies of Marcos on the Encyclopedia Britannica You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., the Biography.com You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., the Department of National Defense You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., and the Senate You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., there is no mention of the Tallano family.

5. If it was such a big Supreme Court case, was there a SCRA or any documents to be found in the Supreme Court about an alleged decision?

A search for the name “Tallano” on the Supreme Court You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., the LawPhil You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., and the Chan Robles You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. do not provide any decisions from before 1949 that involved both Tallano and Marcos.

 

[Sukuna_JujutsuKaisen]

Sa totoo lang po, Lets ask sa mga President, King or nasa higher position na mga tao sa ibang bansa.
Wala daw makakatalo sa Pilipinas noon.
Isa sa mga pinakamayaman.
Kung nagnakaw ang Marcos noon, bakit mayaman yung Pilipinas?
Tsaka, Isa na sa pinakamayaman yung Marcos noon, they spend billions before naging Presidente sya.
Pero during ng Aquino, umutang sila ng malaki with their own interest. Wala namang mga results utang nila, they use paper company, klaro naman kasi walang mga nailatag.

Kung sa yaman lng pag-uusapan, mahirap pa sa musmos ang mga Aquino sa mata ng Marcoses.

 

[techaims]

waka ka po mababasa na libro na maganda dahil kontrolado po lahat ng nilalagay nila sa libro, kung ako sayo TS magbasa ka po ng mga kaso ng mga marcos at lawakan nyo po pangunawa nyo, eto po ung ill gotten wealth case ng mga marcos na kung saan napatunayan daw na nagnakaw sila pero ang tanong ano po ba ang pinagkaiba ng salitang "îllégâl" at "stolen", kahit kasi basahin mo mismo ung naging kaso nila walang sinabi ang korte suprema na nagnakaw sila

next question, kung wala silang ninakaw, or hindi pa napapatunayan na may ninakaw sila, bakit sinasabi ng media na meron? ano din po ba ang basehan ni Cory Aquino sa pagpapatupad ng PCGG sa Executive order number 2 nya?

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[Away From Keyboard]

Yamashita gold is real, nasa swiss bank or na liquidate na at nilagay sa ibat ibang shell companies kagaya nang sa Australia.

 

[Fried Tomato]

HINDI PO TOTOO ANG TALLANO GOLD EVEN SI SIR BBM INAMIN NIYA NAMAN SA INTERVIEW NYA BEFORE NA NEVER SIYANG NAKAKITA NG GOLD NA PAG MAMAY-ARI NILA. ITO PO WITH SOURCE PO. MAHALAGA PO TALAGA NA MAALAM TAYO MAG FACT CHECK, DI PO YUNG KUNG ANO MAKITA SA TIKTOK AT YøùTùbé PANINIWALAAN NA. MAS MANIWALA TAYO SA EKSPERTO AT MGA NAG ARAL NG HISTORY.

PS - di po ako nakikipag talo or what here. and di rin po ako against sa mga ρrø bbm. gusto ko lang po sabihin dito na SANA di po tayo basta-basta naniniwala sa nakikita natin at ikakalat, matuto muna po tayong magsaliksik ng mabuti para ang isang fake news ay di na kumalat pa at makapang linlang ng isipan ng iba.



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A post on Facebook dated September 24, 2018 states that former president Ferdinand Marcos was ρáíd in gold by the “Tallano royal family of the Philippines” for being their lawyer.

The so-called royal family, whose last name is Tallano, is said to have ruled over a kingdom called Maharlika that was made up of the Philippines, Brunei, South Borneo, Hawaii, the Spratly Islands, and Sabah before Spain colonized our country.

They allegedly “owned” our country until the mid-18th century.

Our national hero Jose Rizal was supposedly a direct descendant of the Tallano family.

The Tallanos was said to have ρáíd Marcos “192 thousand tons of gold” because they hired him to be their lawyer before he became a politician.

Accompanying the post is a photo of Marcos and his wife, former first lady Imelda Marcos, superimposed over a photo of gold bars. Another photo superimposed over the gold bars is of President Rodrigo Duterte. Text on the photo reads: “Marcos gold will save the world!”

The post has more than 79,000 shares and more than 5,000 comments as of posting. It was emailed to us to check through factcheck@rappler.com.

Rating: FALSE

The Facts: There is no historical proof that a royal family called Tallano ruled over a kingdom called Maharlika during pre-colonial Philippines.

Rappler consulted historian and Assistant Professorial Lecturer of History at De La Salle University Xiao Chua, and he presented 5 questions in response to the post:

1. Where is the title?

There are no land titles that prove that a Tallano family owns the entire Philippine archipelago.

According toYou do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., Julian Tallano claimed that he was the heir Rajah Soliman and Lapu-Lapu and a descendant of King Luisong Tagean.

In 2002, the Court of Appeals (CA) issued a temporary restraining order (TRO) on 3 Pasay court rulings that validated Tallano’s claim. These rulings were by Pasay City Judge Ernesto Reyes on July 7, 1997, July 11, 2001, and October 8, 2001.

A report about the TRO published by theYou do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. in 2002 says that Office of the Solicitor General filed a petition with the CA assailing the validity of the Pasay court’s ruling and the 3 fake titles that laid claim to the Philippines.

According to the Star, the petition explained that the “sheer area covered constitutes more than conclusive evidence regarding the spurious character of said titles…”

2. Is there a mention of the name Tallano in any documents from the Spanish regime? From the Blair and Robertson collection of documents? 3. Was there a historical document from Spanish period citing Maharlika as a place name in the Philippines?

Emma Helen Blair and James Alexander Robertson edited a 55 volume book of primary source Philippine history documents that covers 1493 to 1898.

The words “Tallano” and “Maharlika” are not mentioned in the You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. collection of documents in relation to the name of a place or kingdom.

There are also no records that show that one family in the Philippines ruled over the other datus’ kingdoms on the archipelago.

In historian William Henry Scott’s You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., published in 1992, he spoke about the 4 societal classes that existed during the pre-colonial era. He said that the Spaniards thought datus were kings – until they realized that they did not have power over other kingdoms or other datus.

The Marcos-approved history book Tadhana: The History of the Filipino People also says that by the time navigator Miguel Lopez de Legazpi set foot in the Philippines, the country’s many groups were not unified: “A pan-Filipino state however had yet to emerge, although in response to grave, strange, if exciting forces indigenous sates of varying sizes had emerged.”

4. If they were lawyered by Ferdinand Marcos and Jose W. Diokno, and if it was such a big case, was there a mention of the Tallanos in any of their writings, speeches, or credible biographies?

Historian and Ateneo de Manila University history professor Ambeth Ocampo, who has Marcos’ diaries, called the claim about the Tallano family “doubtful.”

In biographies of Marcos on the Encyclopedia Britannica You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., the Biography.com You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., the Department of National Defense You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., and the Senate You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., there is no mention of the Tallano family.

5. If it was such a big Supreme Court case, was there a SCRA or any documents to be found in the Supreme Court about an alleged decision?

A search for the name “Tallano” on the Supreme Court You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., the LawPhil You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., and the Chan Robles You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now. do not provide any decisions from before 1949 that involved both Tallano and Marcos.

Napanood mo pa ba yung interview ni Mel Tiangco kay Imelda Marcos. Yung pinasok nila yung isang room na puno ng documents. Imelda showed Mel the document and she said "Thats a lot of shipment". So hint yun na nilabas na sa pilipinas. Pero di pa din natin alam kung totoo ba talaga.
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And sa source mo po ng fact checking medyo hindi ako sang ayon dyan kasi rappler is well known sa kanilang paninira sa kabilang panig, ganun din ang inquirer. Maniniwala lang ako sa fact checkers kung wala silang past issues and wala silang pinapanigang side.
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Merong interview kay Larry Gadon at Rita Gadi sa YøùTùbé. Ito title
"Pasabog ni Gadi at Gadon tungkol sa mga Marcos | Amerika, Sinabotahe ang ekonomiya ng Pilipinas?"
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Panoorin nyo at pakinggan try nyo lang. Tapusin nyo 40minute video yan. Pakinggan nyo lang kung may mga butas ba, may mga inconsistency sa mga statements nila. Subukan nyo ding pakinggan yung side nila. Ako kasi namulat na Demonyo ang mga Marcos. Eh Naisipan ko lang din aralin yung side nila. Ayun ngayon wala na akong pinaniniwalaan. Bahala kayo dyan hahaha

 

[akosijohnjr]

Base sa mga magulang ko,marcos era is the best....1peso is 1dollar...hindi naman mahigpit ang martial law,kaya naghigpit dahil sa mga protesters pero kung wala ka namang ginagawang mali...wala ka daw dapat ipangamba..

 

[polhorhe]

Ano ba ang katotohanan na sinasabi mo?

Same ganyan din tinuro nung grade 5 pa noon, tapos proud na proud sa nangyari sa people power ngayon alam natin katotohanan