Closed Convince me to believe in a god

[Jmrie_]

Sir Draft baka po pwede iclose niyo na ito di na kasi maganda mga nababasa ko rito eh

 

[homer_simpson]

kasi po yung kausap mo naka based sa bible at christianity kaya saan talaga pupulutin convo niyo kung yung basehan mo ay universal

sa bagay dagdag din ng message points yan at warning points pag nag kataon

Bakit, hindi ba dapat universal ang usapan, is god not a universal god but rather a god of jews, israelis, hebrews and not of chinese, japanese, africans and tribe people, therefore sectarian and discrimative?

Sa palagay mo, hindi ba iyan ang mga bagay na itinatanong natin mula umpisa palang sa ating mga pastor o kung sino man ang nagfe-feed ng idea sa iyo? Accepting without questioning can be dangerous.

 

[Cute-Piggy]

Bakit, hindi ba dapat universal ang usapan, is god not a universal god but rather a god of jews, israelis, hebrews and not of chinese, japanese, africans and tribe people, therefore sectarian and discrimative?

Sa palagay mo, hindi ba iyan ang mga bagay na itinatanong natin mula umpisa palang sa ating mga pastor o kung sino man ang nagfe-feed ng idea sa iyo? Accepting without questioning can be dangerous.

nasa sayo po yan kung gusto mo pong mapunta sa kabilang mundo yung usapan niyo

atleast i tried to explain

sinasabi ko lang naman po na yung kausap mo ay medyo narrow-minded habang ikaw ay open-minded not on purpose of offending someone ah basta yun

imagine ikaw pinapaliwanag mo meaning ng anti sa iba't ibang batas ng bansa habang yung kausap mo isa lang yung bansa na sinusunod xP

 

[reymart1994]

Naniniwala ka ba na basta nalang lumitaw ang isang bahay na walang gumawa?

 

[Master PQ]

Can you convince me to believe in god (Judeo-Christian God/Jesus/Allah/Zoroaster - basically any god) without saying "just have faith", using faith as an argument, or demanding that I just "believe" and "he" will "reveal himself"???

Maniwala ka lang paps!

 

[Jhonreygo1234]

Wala ako paki kung hindi maniwala

 

[Manokako]

If u dont believe in any god, why do u need to be colnvinced at all. Panindigan mo paniniwala mo po. And leave the believers to themselves. Thats called "RESPECT".

 

[jheoung]

Creation testifies that there was a Creator. the book couldn't make by itself , obviously everything was made because there was an Intelligent Designer in the beggining and that was GOD

 

[malakaya]

OK. So "yung mga muslim pinapatay talaga yung mga christiano"? Eh ano masasabi mo during the crusade period where thousands of muslims were butchered by the christian crusaders sanctioned, financed and initiated by the church? In addition, thousands of people including scientists were killed/burned at the stake and tortured by the catholic church. Kung hindi ako nag-kakamali isa sa 10 utos, 'wag kang papatay'?

Influenced ni Satan? This is interesting. Confused lang ako. In what way where they have been influenced by satan?

The last time I checked, Buddhism is one of the most peaceful religions. Again, did they say anything against christ?

Ang Christian ang nakaranas talaga ng pinakamatinding persecution from their time until now and counting around the world, basahin mo din ang history nila kung paano sila pinapatay mula ng hindi pa natatatag ang Roman Catholic... Inalis pa sa kanila ang buong Israel at nagpakalat-kalat sila sa buong mundo. Hanggang ngayon ay walang kapayapaan ang Cristiano dahil pinapatay sila ng mga kalaban kapag naaabutan. Wala din namang sinasabing masama ang New Testament regarding sa ibang religion.

 

[homer_simpson]

So fight fire against fire? You reckon christian were killed so it is appropriate to kill 'em back?

And to correct your history, the roman catholic uses its power to influence politics and society. The vatican is one goddaman rich organization run by despots and child molesters.

 

[malakaya]

So fight fire against fire? You reckon christian were killed so it is appropriate to kill 'em back?

And to correct your history, the roman catholic uses its power to influence politics and society. The vatican is one goddaman rich organization run by despots and child molesters.

Against ka ba sa Christians because of Roman Catholic? If so, kulang pa ang pag-aaral mo tungkol sa mga tagasunod ni Cristo Jesus na mga Cristiano.. pag-aralan mo ang Christian Bible at malalaman mo ang katotohanan.

 

[Denski101]

atheist ka?

 

[homer_simpson]

Against ka ba sa Christians because of Roman Catholic? If so, kulang pa ang pag-aaral mo tungkol sa mga tagasunod ni Cristo Jesus na mga Cristiano.. pag-aralan mo ang Christian Bible at malalaman mo ang katotohanan.

Katotohanan ba kamo? Like burning people at the stake, torturing them if you don't like them or if they don't believe on what you believe? Thanks, but no thanks! Well, the contents of the bible itself made me question the god's motive.

The problem with bible believers is you focus entirely on the good acts of god. That is not bad in itself. What is bad is ignoring the other side, as if the malevolent contents or acts of god did not exist. You are burying head in the sand, not acknowledging even that the "perfect" god is capable of atrocious and genocidal acts.

The problem is, those acts are advocated, ordered by god and written on the very bible you were stubbornly preaching as "THE ONE TRUE WAY".

None of you scrutized, dissected and explained those acts and events in any sensible way. These are the topics that are always avoided simply because you know that if you entertain those kind of thoughts, you are going to suffer a cognitive dissonance, the incongruence of what you truly and what is god capable of and had done (as per bible itself).

Don't forget, hell was possibly made before man was made.

Please raise a more logical explanations and be critical rather than simply tell a stranger than your thing is the "REAL SH1T".

 

[Nene bunso]

manuod ka po kasi if di mo magustohan sasabihan ng iba rito well wala din mangyayare manuod ka na lang sinabe ko bye

Tama ka sis member ako ng dating daan marami sya matotonan kay bro Eli.

 

[Jmrie_]

Tama ka sis member ako ng dating daan marami sya matotonan kay bro Eli.

Ayos yan kapatid..

 

[malakaya]

Katotohanan ba kamo? Like burning people at the stake, torturing them if you don't like them or if they don't believe on what you believe? Thanks, but no thanks! Well, the contents of the bible itself made me question the god's motive.

The problem with bible believers is you focus entirely on the good acts of god. That is not bad in itself. What is bad is ignoring the other side, as if the malevolent contents or acts of god did not exist. You are burying head in the sand, not acknowledging even that the "perfect" god is capable of atrocious and genocidal acts.

The problem is, those acts are advocated, ordered by god and written on the very bible you were stubbornly preaching as "THE ONE TRUE WAY".

None of you scrutized, dissected and explained those acts and events in any sensible way. These are the topics that are always avoided simply because you know that if you entertain those kind of thoughts, you are going to suffer a cognitive dissonance, the incongruence of what you truly and what is god capable of and had done (as per bible itself).

Don't forget, hell was possibly made before man was made.

Please raise a more logical explanations and be critical rather than simply tell a stranger than your thing is the "REAL SH1T".

Mateo 24:9-10
“Sa mga panahong iyon, kapopootan kayong lahat dahil sa inyong pagsunod sa akin. Isasakdal kayo upang pahirapan at patayin, at dahil dito'y marami ang tatalikod sa kanilang pananampalataya. Mapopoot sila at magtataksil sa isa't isa.

Tungkol sa mga sinasabi mong butchered by the christian killed/burned and tortured and worst case executed genocide hindi ba't higit pa dyan ang mga ginawa nyo sa kasaysayan? Sino ba ang may pinakamasahol at pinakamarami na pagpatay sa mga tao ang ginawa? Bigyan kita ng brief info kung ano ang nakasulat sa kasaysayan tungkol sa pag-massacre ng atheist communists sa mundo.

Literally hindi na "genocide" ang tawag ng mundo sa mass murder na ginawa ng mga communist but "demonize"...

The Reign of Terror of the French Revolution established a state which was anti-Roman Catholicism/Christian in nature (anti-clerical deism and anti-religious atheism during the Enlightenment played a significant role in the French Revolution), with the official ideology being the Cult of Reason; during this time thousands of believers were suppressed and executed by the guillotine. Although Communism is one of the most well-known cases of atheism's ties to mass murder, the French Revolution and subsequent Reign of Terror, inspired by the works of Diderot, Voltaire, Sade, and Rousseau, managed to commit similar persecutions and exterminations of religious people and promote secularism and militant atheism. Official numbers indicate that 300,000 Frenchmen died during Robespierre's Reign of Terror, 297,000 of which were of middle-class or low-class. Of the amount murdered via the guillotine, only 8% had been of the aristocratic class, with over 30% being from the peasant class.

One of the most well known cases of mass murder during the French Revolution was the genocide at Vendée, which has yet to be officially recognized as genocide. Some estimates indicated that Robespierre and the Jacobins planned to massacre well over 15,000,000 Frenchmen, and that he also intended to commit genocide against the Alsace region of France due to their German-speaking populace. Besides the guillotine, the French Revolution also resulted in various other deaths, including trampling children with horses, burning people in ovens, "Republican Marriages" (which involved stripping people nâked, tying them together to a log in a suggestive fashion, and then putting them into the water to drown. In the event that there wasn't enough people of both sexes, they also resorted to "tying the knot" in a homosexual manner), cutting recently raped girls in half after tying them to a tree, crushing pregnânt women under wine pressers, cutting up pregnânt women and using bayonets to stab the fetus inside before leaving her to die, "catching" infants thrown from a balcony with their bayonets, and using shotguns to ensure people bled out to death...and so on...


Why the communists done this such horrible killing?

Christian philosophers and theologians explain that there are causal links between mass murder and atheism. Atheism, lack belief in God, have the following characteristics that can lend itself to mass murder and can explain why the greatest mass murderers were atheists:

Lack of recognition of an ultimate judge of moral actions and a judge who sets injustice aright in a last judgement, and thus do not recognize the immorality of murder.

Lack of seeing the importance of human beings as images of God and so easily discarding them as merely material things, products of mere chance.

Lack of acknowledging an external standard of moral perfection, thus ending up with self-created standards which can include killing for political survival.

Absence of guidance by divine revelation of the moral law, such as "Thou shalt not kill".

Following an ethic of atheistic evolutionism that is based on the survival and victory of the fittest, which is ultimately a bloodthirsty ethic—an ethic that is eager to kill and to maim. This ethic is about conquering others rather than self-conquest.

The intolerance of many atheists.

Modern atheism has often had a significant amount of proponents who are intolerant.

For example, according to the University of Cambridge, historically, the "most notable spread of atheism was achieved through the success of the 1917 Russian Revolution, which brought the Marxist-Leninists to power." Vitalij Lazarʹevič Ginzburg, a Soviet physicist, wrote that the "Bolshevikcommunists were not merely atheists but, according to Lenin's terminology, militant atheists."

The Reign of Terror of the French Revolutionestablished a state which was anti-Roman Catholicism/Christian in nature (anti-clerical deism and anti-religious atheism and played a significant role in the French Revolution), with the official ideology being the Cult of Reason; during this time thousands of believers were suppressed and executed by the guillotine.

Fyodor Dostoyevsky's dictum "If God is not, everything is permitted."

Ngayon, sino nga ba ang may karapatang magmalinis?

Scriptures has reality of their Words and you will find its credibility in history.

One more thing tutal ginamit mo ang mga muslim to discriminate Christians.
According to the source...

13 Muslim countries officially punish atheism or apostasy by death, while "the overwhelming majority" of the 192 United Nation member countries "at best discriminate against citizens who have no belief in a god and at worst can jail them for offences dubbed blasphemy".

In some Muslim-majority countries, atheists face persecution and severe penalties such as the wí†hdráwal of legal status or, in the case of apostasy, capital punishment.

 

[bandwagon]

Can you convince me to believe in god (Judeo-Christian God/Jesus/Allah/Zoroaster - basically any god) without saying "just have faith", using faith as an argument, or demanding that I just "believe" and "he" will "reveal himself"???

Nobody can convince you to believe except maybe yourself.

The real point here is not how someone else will convince you but how some arguments are you going to refute.

If you were able to refute, then you are not convinced ultimately.

If you, .however can't refute, maybe, you decide to be convinced or just stay in silence until fresh knowlwdge or refutation occurs.

 

[bossdavs]

DNA will convince

 

[sanskuro]

Pano macoconvince kung matigas ang paninindigan

 

[ken_rebirth]

Pano macoconvince kung matigas ang paninindigan

Sir, kaya ka po ba na-convince ng religion kc mahina ang iyong paninindigan, or totally wala kang paninindigan?