para mahuli? hinuli ng mga coast guards yung mga chinese fisherman sa paraang nakakahiya. pinahubad ng mga damit at ibinilad pa sa arawan. parang pinag tripan nila. kung ikaw na bansang may malakas na kakayanan sa gyera, anong gagawin mo kapag ginanyan ang mga kababayan mo? in the past, yung mga nahuhuling chinese fisherman hindi hinuhumiliate ng ganyan. normal na hinuhuli at itinataboy lang palabas kaya walang nagiging confrontation sa pagitan ng china and philippines. yung sinasabi mong UNCLOS na nanalo tayo, binasa mo ba kung anong nakalagay doon? pinag tibay lang nun ang claim ng Vietnam hindi ang claim ng pilipinas. kung ikaw ang nasa lugar ni duterte, alam mong walang kalaban laban ang bansa mo kung sakaling magka gyera, makikipag matigasan ka ba para sa kakapiranggot na teritoryo na hindi naman talagang sayo at maraming bansang meron ding claim dyan at alam mong wala ka nman magagawa para ma claiim ang teritoryong yan dahil nga inabandon nyo na ang post nyo dyan at tuluyan nang napwestuhan na ng china yang lugar na yan? anong other option mo para hindi ka mapasabak sa gyera bukod sa pakikipag kasundo at pagtatatag ng magandang relation sa china? baka may briliant option ka brader na pwede mong ibahagi dito at malugod naming pakikinggan.
Traydor ba mga duterte?
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John 8:7 said "Patuloy sila sa pagtatanong kaya't tumayo si Jesus at nagsalita, “Ang sinuman sa inyo na walang kasalanan ang siyang maunang bumato sa kanya.”
sinong history teacher mo utoy ng masampal ko ng tsinelas sa mukha dahil ginawa kang mangmang tungkol sa pananakop ng amerikano sa pilipinas.
Varying Degrees, pero siguro mga 90% ng Pulitiko that includes President, VP, Cabinet Members, Secretaries of Agencies, Senators, Congressmen, Governors, Mayors ay Corrupt at Traydor sa mga Pilipino at ating Bansa. With the right price ibenta tayo. On aspect of Duterte e sindikato yan daig pa mafia. Kahit si BBM ay kakulay din ni Duterte sa kurapsyon at katrayduran. Mas malaki lamang mga damages ni duterte dahil matagal na siya pulitiko. Isipin ninyo maige, pero malawak ang diskusyon kung titignan mo micro at macro ng Gobyerno natin.
Haha(
Lahat yan bulok ang mga kinakampihan ninyo Lol you don't realize it yet );
Alamin muna ang struktura, lohiko ng ekonomiya at pera sa buong mundo, at duon sumunod ang Pulitika at Kasaysayan iniligaw pa ng propaganda.
Haha(
Lahat yan bulok ang mga kinakampihan ninyo Lol you don't realize it yet );Tama. Kulang pa sa research kasi pero di naman kasalanan malaki as most filipinos are brainwashed by American government. Pinaka-demonyo ang American government sa lahat ng demonyong bansa.
Alamin muna ang struktura, lohiko ng ekonomiya at pera sa buong mundo, at duon sumunod ang Pulitika at Kasaysayan iniligaw pa ng propaganda.
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Myexistence
Eternal Poster
Coming from Chinese News Agency. Alam mo mo naman magaling ang China sa Propaganda.
Wala naman nakasaad dun pinag tibay ng kaso ang claim ng Vietnam sa isla na yun kundi sinuportahan lang ng Vietmam ang South China Sea arbitration case. Vietnam has also asserted that UNCLOS is the sole legal basis for defining maritime entitlements, and has rejected the notion that customary international law exists in parallel with UNCLOS.
Oo mahina ang bansa natin pag dating sa gyera kaya kaylangan natin na mga kaalyado na may similar values sa atin, and I don't think China has this. At sa tingin mo ba gusto ba ng China na makipag gyera sa atin?
Anu ba dapat gawin ni dutae? Tingin mo makakabuti ba ginagawa ni beybiem? Eh mukhang matutulad tayo sa ukraine sa pinag gagawa niya eh..
Di naman tayo sinasakop ng china, jusko paubaya niyo na yang kakarampot na karagatan na yan...
The thought na iniisip agad na kapag lumaban tayo sa China giyera agad? Oo wala tayong laban sa chingchong pag nagka giyera. Di rin naman nila gugustuhin yun kase may defense treaty tayo sa US. Hindi lang tayo ang umaangkin sa territory na yan Vietnam lang ba? marami sa neighbor country natin. Pero yung gahaman na China sinakop lahat buong dagat. Ang ruling ng UNCLOS ay final na and satin pumabor hindi sa China.
What can we do? maduwag like duterte? then secretly selling our WPS making an Gentleman's Agreement? makipag friend kay winnie the pooh para hindi mag trigger ng war? tayo magiging mabait sa China? hahaha lol.
dami naman nagclaclaim sa mga isla, pagmumulan lang ng gyera yan.
bahala na lang.
bahala na lang.
hanga ako sa katapangan mo tropa.. pero siguro samahan mo rin ng konting realidad yang pinanghahawakan mong defense treaty. para kang nabubuhay sa isang panaginip tropa. may idea ka ba kung baket umatras ang pinas sa disputed area na yan at sinong nag paatras sa atin dyan? ang US mismo ang gumawa ng paraan para umatras ang pinas dyan at walang mamuong gyera sa pagitan ng pinas at china. baket? dahil ayaw nilang mapilitang makibahagi sa gyera sa china sa kadahilanang hindi ito papabor sa ekonomiya nila sa multiple aspects. nakita mo naman siguro anong nangyare sa ukraine? baket hindi sila makasali sa gyera sa ukraine at russia although full support sila? isa lang yan tropa.. kung makakasama sa kalagayan ng bansa mo, hindi mo gagawing makisawsaw dyan ng instead of gains, loss ang makukuha mo. na gets mo naman siguro yun db at it makes perfect sense. sinong t@ngang bansa ang makikisawsaw sa gyera na walang mapapalang mabuti? defense treaty?? do you think totoong mauubliga ang US na ma summon mo dahil dyan sa treaty na yan? kahit gustuhin pa ng presidente nila yan, may congress na pipigil dyan. and we've seen it a lot of times.
Lol, so kapag clinaim ni Cynthia Villar yang lupa nang bahay mo hahayaan mo nalang total mas malakas siya sayo at hamak na tae ka lang sa kanya? Kakarampot ka lang sa yaman at kakayahan na meron siya so hahayaan mo lang?.. okay, sana buhay pa si General Luna noh tas sabihin mo yang opinyon mo sa kanya tiyak bogsh ka agad sa mundong toh. Kung wala kang pake sa dagat na yan, meaning kahit konting emphaty di mo kayang i-apply sa sarili mo para sa mga kababayan nantin na diyan kinukuha ang kabuhayan, hindi lahat kagaya mo kababaw mag-isip kaya kung di mo kaya ang gyera na posibleng mangyari dahil pinaglaban natin ang claim natin, you are free na lumayas sa Pinas, walang pumipigil sayo na iligtas sarili mong interes.
anong coming from a chinese news agency? fact yan na totoong nangyare hindi gawa gawang istorya yan. mag kalkal ka ng past news sa manila bulletin siguradong mababasa mo yan.
ayaw ng china na makipag gyera satin pero kung panay ang provoke natin sa china, ibang usapan na yan. kung hindi mo sila bibigyan ng dahilan, hindi nila papasukin yang gyera. pero kung tayo mismo ang magbibigay ng dahilan para magka gyera, sa ayaw at sa gusto nila mapipilitan silang makipag gyera. aware ka bang ang may pinaka malakas na claim dyan sa disputed territory na yan ay ang vietnam?? sa palagay mo ba papayag lang ang vietnam na ibigay ng unclos na sinasabi mo territory na yan sa pinas ng ganun ganun lang at susuportahan pa nila ang claim ng pinas?? kaya hindi sila pumapalag sa unclos eh dahil sa kanila pumabor ang unclos at hindi sa pinas. ganun kasimple. mahilig kang mag basa ng fake news na pinakakalat ng US at tropang pinklawan kaya nabulag ka sa totoong istorya. kung hindi ka naniniwala sa sinasabi ko, isipin mong maigi, kung baliktad ang sitwasyon, ang vietnam ang nakikipag away ngayun sa china sa disputed territory na yan at pinaboran sila ng unclos na sa kanila ang territory na yan, hindi ba aalma ang pilipinas dyan dahil may claim din ang pilipinas dyan?? isip isip tropa..
sa palagay mo pareho lang ang example mo sa tinatawag na claim?? alam mo ba ang ibig sabihin at kaibahan ng claim at mismong pagmamay ari mo? do you even know na marami ang may claim sa territory na yan at ang may pinaka malakas na claim dyan is vietnam? sinong herodes ang nag sabi sayo na pag aari ng pinas yung disputed territory na yan? balik ka dito pag may maipapakita ka nang ebidensyang pag mamay ari ng pinas yang disputed territory na yan. wag puro basa ng propaganda lang ang gawin mo tropa. mag basa ka ng facts para hindi ka nagiging mangmang sa realidad.
KingSemreh
Honorary Poster
Anong ginagawa ba sayo ni Duterte na against bansa mo o sa sarili mo bilang individual?
Si Duterte, wala siyang pinakawalan na teritoryo or pinamigay na teritoryo ng Pilipinas. Bagamat nakikipag alyansa siya sa China kasi ayaw niya sa America dahil sa mga activaties ng America na America ang gumagawa ng kapahamakan sa Pilipinas para lang umanib ang Pilipinas sa America.
Please take note na hindi ko binuto si Duterte at lalong wala akong binutong Duterte.
Wag tayo magpalinlang sa mga double face na mga tao or one sided ideology na kanila lang ang tama. We are here for common good not just for the seek of single individual politician.
Si Duterte, wala siyang pinakawalan na teritoryo or pinamigay na teritoryo ng Pilipinas. Bagamat nakikipag alyansa siya sa China kasi ayaw niya sa America dahil sa mga activaties ng America na America ang gumagawa ng kapahamakan sa Pilipinas para lang umanib ang Pilipinas sa America.
Please take note na hindi ko binuto si Duterte at lalong wala akong binutong Duterte.
Wag tayo magpalinlang sa mga double face na mga tao or one sided ideology na kanila lang ang tama. We are here for common good not just for the seek of single individual politician.
Alam mo ba ibig sabihin nang exclusive economic zone? Alam ko na may claim din Vietnam diyan based sa geographic factors nila, san mo kinuha yang information mo na mas malakas claim nila sa dagat na yan compared sa atin when in fact may international rulings tayong sinusunod kung hanggang saan ang sakop nang EEZ. Bakit nakita mo even before na sinasakop nang Vietnam yung EEZ natin kase mas malakas claim nila? Hindi noh, pinapalayas pa nga natin mga fishermen nila dati pag lumalagpas sila sa area na meron tayo. Eh mas malakas pala claim nang Vietnam diyan eh, edi dapat tayo na yung mahiya at sinisiksik pa natin sarili natin diyan.
Ikaw sabihin mo sakin sinong herodes ang nagsabi sayo na pagmamay-ari nang china yang dagat na yan? Wala, basis lang nila is nauna yung kapwa tsino nila na nakadiskubre. 2024 na, sa tingin mo sinong mema ang pupunta sa pagmamay-ari mo at sasabihing sa kanya yung lupa kase siya unang nakadiskubre nang kinatatayuan nang bahay mo mema lang. May pa facts facts pa kuno
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Myexistence
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Natawa naman ako dito, anung conspiracy videos ang pinanood mo? Ang US ay "HINDI" nag-utos na umalis ang mga pwersa natin o ang kanilang mga pwersa sa panahon ng tensyon sa Scarborough Shoal. Sinikap ng US na panatilihing balanse ang sitwasyon, pinanindigan ang kasunduan sa diplomasya, at pinalakas ang ugnayan sa Pilipinas.
Sino ba talaga gusto maggka gyera dahil lang sa isla an sakop ng ating EEZ? Naalala mo pa yung nangyari sa Taiwan nung bumisita si Pelosi? Pagkatapos ng pagbisita ni Pelosi, isinagawa ng militar ng China ang mga live-fire military drills sa paligid ng pangunahing isla ng Taiwan. Hindi opisyal na nagpahayag ang US na ipagtatanggol ang Taiwan, nakatali sila sa batas na magbigay ng mga paraan sa pamahalaan ng isla upang ipagtanggol ang sarili nito. Ito ay nagresulta sa bilyun-bilyong dolyar na mga benta ng armas sa nakaraang mga taon, na lalong ikinagalit ng China. Nanakot lang ang China para sabihing sila mismo ang makapangyarihang bansa.
Malamang gagawa sila ng issue para mag mukha silang inabuso at kawawa tulad ng ginawa nilang storya na ang ating bansa ang sumira sa natural resource ng WPS para pag takpan yung ginagawa nila.
Diba sila mismo ang nag proprovoke sa atin dahil nasa loob sila ng ating EEZ? Gugustuhin mo na alng ba ibigay ang lupain mo dahil ayaw mo lang ipaglaban ang nasasakupan mo? At saka hindi natin kaylangan idaan ito sa gyera kundi sa diplomacya. Bakit kase gusto ninyo gyera agad ang nasa isip ninyo?
Any source kung saan mo yang nabasa yang news na yan? Nagbigay lang ng legal framework ang UNCLOS para maayos ang despute sa mga nasasakupan nito dahil malaki ang nasasakupan nating EEZ.
Fake new pala yung yung mga binabalita ng mga mga international news lol.
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para hindi ka maging mangmang sa ipinaglalaban mo, eto basahin mo nang maintindihan mong maigi yung pinaglalaban mong EEZ kung ano nga ba ang EEZ. ako na ang nag effort para sayo nang maliwanagan ka.
REMEMBER the colossal US lie that Iraq had "weapons of mass destruction" consisting of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, which made it necessary to invade that nation in 2003, which resulted in a million direct and indirect killings of human beings.
That the US propaganda machine was so powerful the lie was widely believed even by the most renowned US newspapers, such as the New York Times and Washington Post, which, however, would issue an apology in 2004 that they failed to fact-check the US government's fabrications?
The WMD equivalent is now "Chinese aggression in the South China Sea." It's intention? In the long run, to demonize China to prevent it from replacing the US as the preeminent superpower in the region. In the medium term, to make the Philippines its military base for America's commitment to defend Taiwan from being taken over by China.
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Chinese vessels water-cannoning a Philippine supply ship. The typical caption in local media: ‘China’s actions in Ayungin Shoal infringe upon the Philippines’ sovereign rights and jurisdiction.’ No mention of China’s claim of sovereignty over the area, established on the ground in 1995. PHILIPPINE COAST GUARD FILE PHOTO VIA AP
President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. keeps condemning China's "aggressive" attacks in the South China Sea. An otherwise intelligent but grossly ignorant columnist even headlined his piece to refer to "Chinese aggression." The recent joint statement of leaders of the US, Japan and the Philippines condemned China's "dangerous and aggressive behavior in the South China Sea."
But where exactly in the 50 islands and shoals in the Spratlys occupied — and claimed — by China, the Philippines and Vietnam did Chinese "aggressive attacks," "aggression," and "dangerous and aggressive behavior" occur?
Not in Scarborough Shoal, as that area has become tranquil — with fishermen from all three countries freely allowed to fish, except for the annual ban for fish-stock replenishment. It was actually President Benigno Aquino 3rd who was the aggressor in 2012 when he foolishly deployed the Navy's largest warship BRP Gregorio del Pilar to ****** the Bureau of Fisheries staff who arrested Chinese fishermen there.
wí†hdráw
China, of course, retaliated, sending a flotilla of fishermen and China Marine Surveillance vessels to defend its citizens. That led to a standoff that lasted seven weeks. It ended after Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario ordered the Philippine vessels to wí†hdráw, tricked by US Assistant State Secretary Kurt Campbell. The US, after all, wants the stand-off to lead to war that it could be dragged into. Campbell lied to del Rosario that the Chinese had agreed to a simultaneous wí†hdráwal. The gullible secretary ordered our ships to leave the shoal's lagoon, in effect turning it over to China.
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Ayungin is just 38 km from Mischief Reef, which has a highly developed artificial island fortress (inset).
So, where else in the Spratlys has the Chinese "demonstrated aggressive behavior"? Marcos and the US camp can point only to Ayungin (Second Thomas) Shoal. But it's not at all a case of aggression if one sees through the heavy mist of US propaganda.
China had blocked several efforts by the Philippine Navy to supply with repair materials the marine squad stationed at the BRP Sierra Madre grounded there. Without these, the Sierra Madre has deteriorated so badly that it is full of rust, and its hull now has so many dangerous holes that could fill it with seawater.
The China Coast Guard blocked the Philippine vessels by maneuvering their vessels to force the Filipino wooden boats away from their course and water-cannoned them. With media always brought by the Philippine Navy in such operations, the Chinese, of course, are depicted as "Goliaths" oppressing the "Davids" who are merely "asserting their country's rights."
Misinformed
The patently misinformed Philippine Coast Guard spokesman Jay Tarriela, in a robotic fashion, repeats again and again after such incidents that China is an aggressor for blocking our vessels because "Ayungin Shoal is within our exclusive economic zone and is very distant — very far from China."
Such is Tarriela's shocking ignorance. He is clueless to the fact that an EEZ provides only sovereign rights over exploitation of the natural resources by the coastal state, but it cannot negate the absolute sovereignty of a country if it overlaps with it. Our EEZ, for example, overlaps with the territorial sea and land territory of Indonesia. Our EEZ does not annul Indonesia's territories.
China claims that Ayungin, which it calls Rén'ài Jiāo, is part of its Nansha archipelago, and its sovereignty is evidenced by historical records, official maps, and the 1959 Declaration of the Government of the People's Republic of China on the Territorial Sea of 1958 and the 1992 Law of the People's Republic of China on the Territorial Sea and the Contiguous Zone. Tarriela is ignorant about the fact that distance has never been a justification for sovereign claims, as in the case of the Falkland Islands, just off Argentina's coast but owned by Great Britain, among many examples.
Furthermore, the Philippines actually gave up Ayungin Shoal nearly 30 years ago in 1995. I was among more than a dozen foreign correspondents who witnessed the event.
Silent
To understand this, it is against international law, as well as the United Nations Charter, for a country to use force to take control of territory claimed and occupied by another nation. International law is silent, though, if a country takes control of a territory claimed by another nation without the use of force.
Thus, in 1975, the Filipino troops stationed in Southwest Cay were tricked by the South Vietnamese into leaving their watch to attend a birthday party in the Vietnamese-controlled Northeast Cay. When the Filipino soldiers returned the next morning, the Vietnamese shooed them away with machine gun placements. We could not protest that the Vietnamese grabbed our territory. Technically, we gave it away, as no shots were fired.
A second case is the Scarborough Shoal case, from which the Philippines withdrew, believing a US diplomat's false claims as described above. We could not protest that the Chinese had grabbed that territory. Technically, Aquino 3rd's foreign secretary Albert del Rosario gave Scarborough away.
The third case is Ayungin Shoal. China occupied in 1994 Mischief Reef (just 38 km from Ayungin) and built small facilities on stilts, to retaliate against the Fidel Ramos government's go-ahead for a foreign company to explore for gas in the nearby Reed Bank, which the Chinese claim. Ramos thought that the US and the international community would intervene if the occupation were given more media attention.
Operation
Thus, Ramos ordered an operation that carried a dozen foreign journalists, including me, on a Navy Landing Tank Ship (LST) that was reconfigured to carry two helicopters. The helicopters carried us to make many fly-bys above the Chinese facilities. The spectacular photos hit the headlines of newspapers around the world. The world, though, didn't care, even the US, and the issue died down a few months later.
Ramos' bright idea had a huge backlash. Chinese civilian vessels and fishing boats blocked the LST, which tried to sail closer to Mischief Reef, to get the media photographers a different shooting angle. The Philippine Navy ship didn't move, and there was a standoff — until the ship's captain was told by headquarters to wí†hdráw. Spotted on the horizon was the black smoke from three Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy's frigates, which the Navy commander of the operation presumed to have orders to engage the Philippine vessels.
The Philippine Navy LST turned around and sailed at top speed away from Ayungin. The Philippines, in effect, gave up its sovereignty over the shoal by running away.
In May 1999, the Sierra Madre ran aground in the shoal. The Navy, as well as our foreign affairs department, claimed it was an accident to avoid accusations that such a deliberate action that changed the status quo in Ayungin, as well as any other area in the Spratlys, violated the Asean agreements, intended to settle the tensions in the disputed area. However, then defense secretary Orlando Mercado and his successors, as well as the Navy's top brass, boasted to the public that the grounding was deliberate to establish a symbol of Philippine sovereignty claims on Ayungin Shoal.
Removed
China demanded that the Sierra Madre be removed immediately. The Estrada government excused itself by saying that it did not have an authorized budget to undertake the expensive removal of the vessel. That government, however, said it had to station a small contingent of troops there to prevent it from being dismantled for its steel by scavengers.
The Chinese agreed but asked the Philippines to supply the soldiers only with living necessities, not materials to repair the ship or renovate it to become an outpost.
Successive administrations from Estrada down to even the first years of the Benigno Aquino 3rd complied with the agreement. The Sierra Madre rapidly deteriorated because the Philippines agreed not to supply it with anti-rust chemicals or other repair materials and equipment, such as acetylene torches.
Since 2023, however, after Marcos' volte-face to practically declare China as a threat to the nation and the US as its defender, the Navy undertook many attempts to supply the Sierra Madre with repair and construction materials.
China, of course, believing its sovereignty was being challenged, stationed its bigger coast guard vessels to stop the Philippine ships from supplying the Sierra Madre with repair materials and equipment, using water cannons and maneuvers to drive away the Filipino vessels.
Dramatic
Thus, the Marcos government, with its US masters, has created dramatic scenes showing the Chinese vessels water-cannoning the smaller Filipino boats and dangerously maneuvering to drive them away from the shoal. Without fail, the media report the incidents as China driving away Filipinos who are merely "innocently" attempting to supply the Sierra Madre. There's hardly any mention that the vessel was grounded in a shoal that the Philippines gave away to China in 1995 and that Philippine administrations up to Aquino had promised to remove but hadn't.
It is also crucial for the US to keep the tensions high at Ayungin Shoal since the 2016 arbitral ruling in the Philippines vs China arbitration case, which the Americans have been spreading falsely, as evidence has been largely ignored by the world and uncovered as merely a cleverly crafted US propaganda operation. The Ayungin Shoal tension is now the sole handle for the US propaganda machine's claim of "Chinese aggression."
What the WMD lie was for the US to justify its invasion of Iraq then; the lie of Chinese aggression in Ayungin Shoal now is to make the Philippines a willing American puppet afraid of China and for its territory to host nine military bases that would be forward operation posts when the US defends China's rogue province from "Chinese aggression."
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