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wag nyo kami sapawan, nakikitang wala talaga kaming alam - Harry Roque
⬆ joke yan

MANILA, Philippines — Malacañang on Tuesday said a group of experts from universities should refrain from publicizing their recommendations on quarantine classifications in the country to avoid preempting government from making decisions.

The OCTA Research team had recently said the towns of Bauan in Batangas, Calbayog in Western Samar, and General Trias in Cavite should be reverted to a stricter quarantine status after an increase in its daily attack rate were recorded in the said areas.

Presidential spokesperson Harry Roque said at a briefing that while they appreciate the group's efforts in monitoring virus cases, it would be better for them to course their observations privately to the IATF.

"I have requested for them to desist from making recommendations on classifications as it is really the job of experts," he said in mixed Filipino and English. "I understand they have one or two epidemiologists but it's still not the same number of experts working with the IATF."

Roque said the provincial governments along with the regional IATF could make the said decision on the municipalities, as he responded to questions on the group's call.


But, he added that even the crisis panel dealing with the pandemic does not release to the public their recommendations before submitting to President Rodrigo Duterte, who Roque said makes the final call.

"They can probably endorse their recommendations privately to the IATF so that the panel is not preempted," he said.

The UP OCTA Research team began providing forecasts back in April, when the coutnry was still in hard lockdowns from the COVID-19. Experts from the University of Santo Tomas later on joined in the group.

They have also warned that easing quarantine measures in Metro Manila could see the country's total cases ballooning, which now stands at 342,816 as of October 13, with 6,332 deaths.

In June, Roque touted victory with his "Congratulations, Philippines" remarks over beating OCTA's projections that the Philippines will see 40,000 infections by end of the said month. It was, however, just short of about a few thousands from the 36,438 tally by end-June.

The government has long faced criticism for how it has put retired military officials instead of health experts in charge of its response to a pandemic in the country that has emerged to have the highest number of infections in Southeast Asia and among the world's Top 20 nations with highest cases.
 
This bunch of incompetent officials don't want people to measure the depth of their uselessness!

The recommendations from UP, UST experts are valid and coming from real experts not from retired military knowing nothing in health crisis. Plus, knowing that duterte is the one giving his green light for their recommendations makes me laugh although it's tragic! For those who forgot, this duterte guy is the one who, among other things, told people to clean up masks with gasoline 🤣

They are just waiting for a vaccine to come out while people are suffering and dying and the country economy is totally down :mad:
 
If they are genuinely trying to help, maybe the recommendations should have been submitted directly to the IATF. Hindi yung kanya kanyang presscon. Ano gusto nila? One way communication wherein papanoorin sila ng government officials sa TV at magtitake note sa mga pinagsasabi nila? They are only telling things based on their own observations from their offices. How about the things happening on the ground. There are many factors affecting the decision making process of the officials, hindi based on theoritical analysis ang ginagawa nila wherein some factors can be held constant to arrive on a desirable answer.
 
[XX='JMDragon26, c: 394619, m: 1738908'][/XX] they want that so they can ignore their recommendations private lol. di naman nila kelangan makinig sa mga presscon na yan eh, pwede mo naman hingin yung documents nila.

"There are many factors affecting the decision making process of the officials, hindi based on theoritical analysis ang ginagawa nila wherein some factors can be held constant to arrive on a desirable answer."
- yeah, and they have never made a good decision kita mo naman siguro sa mga sinasabi nila sa UP at WHO. experts daw paps, mas marami sa UP pero puro military, police at mga tanod haha.
 
[XX='JMDragon26, c: 394619, m: 1738908'][/XX] binayaran nga nila yung UP para sa research diba, edi kunin nila mga resulta. halos lahat na binigay nila na pera pumunta naman sa equipment at expenses ng UP.
 
tagal tagal naman ng nagrerecommend yang mga taga UP, pinapakita pa nga sa news at ptv
dumami parin naamn na-iinfect, baka oras na talaga na makinig sa iba o sa talagang tunay na expert 😒
 
tagal tagal naman ng nagrerecommend yang mga taga UP, pinapakita pa nga sa news at ptv
dumami parin naamn na-iinfect, baka oras na talaga na makinig sa iba o sa talagang tunay na expert 😒

yup in the end it's just a recommendation. nasa gobyerno at masa pa rin ang huling hatol. if they don't care then sayang lang, nothing will improve
 
Sa tagal na ng COVID-19 ay nakapag-establish na tayo ng mga reliable statistical at field data monitoring resources through an open-source/openbook data sharing. Merong online thru web/apps, at mga online/offline din thru free custom programs na naka connect sa data ng DOH atbp. directories ng mga involved na ahensya. Kaya kahit ordinaryong mamamayan ay kayang umintindi kung ano na yung sitwasyon natin sa ngayon. Madaling mahalata nga kung may mali sa panig ng gobyerno in the general sense. Sa actual field work at status ng provincial, municipalities, or city levels na lang baka magkaroon ng pagbabago sa final anaysis and recommendation. Yan yung point of argument. Yung analysis based on actual results ay dapat lang na transparent from government, private, or other source. Yung final decision naman ay manggagaling sa IATF dahil sila yung may hawak ng 1st-hand (numerical and actual) information at authority, kaya yung statement ni Roque is irrelevant. It's unethical to point that the gov't side are the only experts on this matter. Octa-Research or any similar entities have the right to report according to their own data gathering the same way normal news/information is transmitted thru media. Yet it's up to IATF to accept their supplied information or not. Ganoon lang!
 
yup in the end it's just a recommendation. nasa gobyerno at masa pa rin ang huling hatol. if they don't care then sayang lang, nothing will improve
Tagal na nilang nagrerecommend, lumalaki naman cases.
Kaya ngayon sinabihan na sila na wag ipublic lalo na puro palpak strategy, sumunod na sila. nagmumuka lang tuloy silang "Fake Expert", mga self-proclaimed.
 
Matagal ng nakikinig 🤦‍♂️
Kaya sila naman makinig at maganda naman rason nila kung bakit wag i-media. Kung gusto talaga nila tumulong ibigay nila sa presidente o sa lgu.
 
[XX='Planet Galileo, c: 417559, m: 1011376'][/XX] binibigay naman yan eh, pwede naman nilang kunin yan direkta pa sa kanila.
ano naman yung pinakinggan na pumalpak?
yung "Congratulations, Philippines" ni roque yan siguro diyan yung success nung admin. lol
 
rason ba na wag pa media sabi mo? wala namang rason diyan si roque kundi mag compare ng amount of personnel nila sa IATF haha.
 
So kung gusto po talaga nilang makatulong doon sa rekomendasyon na iyon, i-address po nila sa tamang recipient – ang Presidente or ang mga lokal na pamahalaan.

Pangalawa po kasi, hindi po natin sinasabi na it puts government in a bad light. Bakit po? Wala pong data-gathering mechanism ang OCTA, tanging gobyerno lang po ang kumukuha ng datos. Binabase po nila iyong kanilang forecast sa datos din ng gobyerno. So wala po kaming tinatago, lahat po iyang mga datos na iyan nasa webpage po iyan ng Department of Health. Kaya nga lang po napakasensitibo po nitong classification at sa susunod na linggo nga po i-step-by-step ko kung ano iyong proseso na pinagdadaanan bago po makarating sa recommendation ng classification o quarantine classification.

Eh ngayon nga po iyong sa rekomendasyon ng OCTA Group, nagrireklamo iyong mga lokal na pamahalaan. Ganiyan pong ka-sensitibo iyan, kasi ‘pag sinabi mong mataas ang COVID sa isang lugar, nagiging political issue rin po iyan sa lugar na iyan para bagang lagot si mayor ‘no, lagot si governor ‘no. So—eh hindi naman po ganoon ang pakay natin ‘no kung bakit tayo nagka-classification ‘no. Ang pakay naman natin eh para pa nga po mapabagal iyong pagkalat ng sakit.

So, hindi ko po sila sinusupil. Salamat nga po sa kanilang mga ginagawa. Naimbita ko na sila rito, I will invite them again and if need be, I will invite them again to the Palace.

Pero ang pakiusap ko lang po, dahil nga po sa mga recommendations naman nila ay tungkol sa classification, i-address nila doon sa tamang institusyon na gagawa ng desisyon – sa Presidente o sa mga lokal na pamahalaan.
kung gusto po talaga nilang makatulong doon sa rekomendasyon na iyon, i-address po nila sa tamang recipient – ang Presidente or ang mga lokal na pamahalaan. 2x
 
[XX='Planet Galileo, c: 417808, m: 1011376'][/XX] ulit: ano naman yung pinakinggan na pumalpak? pasagot lol
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"Pangalawa po kasi, hindi po natin sinasabi na it puts government in a bad light." and "Eh ngayon nga po iyong sa rekomendasyon ng OCTA Group, nagrireklamo iyong mga lokal na pamahalaan."
nag conflict na yung dalawang sentence oh. isang nangyari lang siguro ay yung sa cebu mayor. mostly sa admin na yung blame dahil wala silang pinakikinggan kundi mga retired generals nila na tinutukoy niyang "experts" sa thread.
 
sa kalagayan ng covid natin ngayon, tama naman siguro sabihin puro palpak, tagal tagal na nila nagrerecommend, nafefeature pa sila sa PTV.
"Pangalawa po kasi, hindi po natin sinasabi na it puts government in a bad light." and "Eh ngayon nga po iyong sa rekomendasyon ng OCTA Group, nagrireklamo iyong mga lokal na pamahalaan."
nag conflict na yung dalawang sentence oh. isang nangyari lang siguro ay yung sa cebu mayor. mostly sa admin na yung blame dahil wala silang pinakikinggan kundi mga retired generals nila na tinutukoy niyang "experts" sa thread.
Opinion mo lang yan
puro palpak naman mapagobyerno at UP o UST "expert"

kung gusto po talaga nilang makatulong doon sa rekomendasyon na iyon, i-address po nila sa tamang recipient – ang Presidente or ang mga lokal na pamahalaan. 3x
 
[XX='Planet Galileo, c: 418157, m: 1011376'][/XX] lol, kanina mo pa yan inuulit, sinusunod nga ba yung mga recommendation?
hindi naman diba.
sinasabihan pa nga sila na wag muna ibahin ang strategy, di naman sinunod, dumami lang yung kaso.
nasa thread na yan, about sa Metro Manila.
hindi yan opinyon, lol.

kung gusto po talaga nilang makatulong doon sa rekomendasyon na iyon, i-address po nila sa tamang recipient – ang Presidente or ang mga lokal na pamahalaan.
kahit ilang ulit mo pa yan sabihin, walang mag iiba, mawawalan lang tayo ng impormasyon. hindi lang sila magmumukhang tang@ pag sinunod talaga yan.
 
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