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More than 1 month expired na unopened tikoy, safe pa ba ito kainin? (Serious question)

ayan naman pala bakit mo sinabing mangangamoy spoilage if undetected naman pala sa manufacturer level at saka bakit mo din sinabing di makapaglagay si manufacturer ng expiry if contaminated when obviously kahit 1 surviving cell ay naglagay pa din siya ng expiry

those good manufacturing practices cannot zero out microorganisms, kaya pa rin merong expiry dates at hindi iyon decoration sa packaging, bitawan mo na ang myth about killing all microbes kasi di iyon totoo without totally burning the food
Ha? Eh ikaw lang naman nagassume na contaminated ito ng heat resistant bacteria... Just because heat resistant bacteria exist doesn't mean na meron na yang tikoy. Just because covid19 virus exist doesn't mean na meron na nyan sa bahay nyo at lahat ng bumahing ay nagkakalat na ng virus..gets? This specific bacteria must be present in the ingredient or work area first bago ka magkaroon ng contamination. At kung ikaw yung mayari nitong food factory at napansin mo na tinutubuan agad ng bacteria yung product mo in a few hours or days, di ka ba magpapadecontaminate ng area at di ka ba mamimili mabuti ng supplier ng ingredients mo? Basic lang yan. Yung ibang malaking company nagpapa contaminant testing pa yan ng ingredients at products nila bago ibenta. Kung napansin mo na mukhang spoiled na yung product mo in a few days dahil contaminated ng bacteria, maglalagay ka pa ba ng 3months expiry? Tingin mo di mapapansin yan ng retailers at di sila magrereklamo kung nasa shelf palang yung binebenta nila eh nabubulok na pero malayo pa expiry date?
It's either palpak ang food preparation process nila at nalulusutan sila ng bacteria kaya di tumatagal ng ilang araw yung product nila, or effective yung ginawa nila at tatagal ng ilang months/years yung product nila. Matagal nang ginagawa yang boiling, steam cooking, pasteurization sa pageliminate ng bacteria sa foods. Ikaw lang naman kumokontra na di effective yan.

undetected naman pala sa manufacturer
Panong undetected eh sa bilis dumami ng bacteria di pa rin mapapansin? Few hours palang kita na yan. Transparent pa yung packaging nila. Madalas nga sa ingredients pa lang pinapacheck na for contaminants. Kaya nga minsan yung ineexport ng pinas nirereject sa ibang bansa kapag nakitaan ng contaminants.

at saka bakit mo din sinabing di makapaglagay si manufacturer ng expiry if contaminated when obviously kahit 1 surviving cell ay naglagay pa din siya ng expiry
Ang sabi ko di sila makakapagclaim ng kasing haba ng 3 months expiry dahil a few hours or days palang kita agad na spoiled na yung product nila dahil sa bilis dumami ng bacteria.

kaya pa rin merong expiry dates at hindi iyon decoration sa packaging
Manufacturers are free to put whatever expiry date they want on their product. Hindi FDA or DOH mismo ang nagconduct ng laboratory experiment nyan para madetermine kung kelan eksaktong mabulok ang product nila. Of course, kung nabubulok ang product nila in a year, di nila malalagyan ng 2 years expiry yang product nila. But THEY CAN put expiry dates shorter than 1year.

Imagine yung tikoy mo ganito na itsura few days after manufacturing, tatatakan mo pa yan ng 3months expiry date?
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Ha? Eh ikaw lang naman nagassume na contaminated ito ng heat resistant bacteria... Just because heat resistant bacteria exist doesn't mean na meron na yang tikoy. Just because covid19 virus exist doesn't mean na meron na nyan sa bahay nyo at lahat ng bumahing ay nagkakalat na ng virus..gets? This specific bacteria must be present in the ingredient or work area first bago ka magkaroon ng contamination. At kung ikaw yung mayari nitong food factory at napansin mo na tinutubuan agad ng bacteria yung product mo in a few hours or days, di ka ba magpapadecontaminate ng area at di ka ba mamimili mabuti ng supplier ng ingredients mo? Basic lang yan. Yung ibang malaking company nagpapa contaminant testing pa yan ng ingredients at products nila bago ibenta. Kung napansin mo na mukhang spoiled na yung product mo in a few days dahil contaminated ng bacteria, maglalagay ka pa ba ng 3months expiry? Tingin mo di mapapansin yan ng retailers at di sila magrereklamo kung nasa shelf palang yung binebenta nila eh nabubulok na pero malayo pa expiry date?
It's either palpak ang food preparation process nila at nalulusutan sila ng bacteria kaya di tumatagal ng ilang araw yung product nila, or effective yung ginawa nila at tatagal ng ilang months/years yung product nila. Matagal nang ginagawa yang boiling, steam cooking, pasteurization sa pageliminate ng bacteria sa foods. Ikaw lang naman kumokontra na di effective yan.


Panong undetected eh sa bilis dumami ng bacteria di pa rin mapapansin? Few hours palang kita na yan. Transparent pa yung packaging nila. Madalas nga sa ingredients pa lang pinapacheck na for contaminants. Kaya nga minsan yung ineexport ng pinas nirereject sa ibang bansa kapag nakitaan ng contaminants.


Ang sabi ko di sila makakapagclaim ng kasing haba ng 3 months expiry dahil a few hours or days palang kita agad na spoiled na yung product nila dahil sa bilis dumami ng bacteria.


Manufacturers are free to put whatever expiry date they want on their product. Hindi FDA or DOH mismo ang nagconduct ng laboratory experiment nyan para madetermine kung kelan eksaktong mabulok ang product nila. Of course, kung nabubulok ang product nila in a year, di nila malalagyan ng 2 years expiry yang product nila. But THEY CAN put expiry dates shorter than 1year.

Imagine yung tikoy mo ganito na itsura few days after manufacturing, tatatakan mo pa yan ng 3months expiry date?
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This photograph depicts the colonial morphology displayed by Gram-positive Bacillus cereus bacteria, which was grown on a medium of sheep’s blood agar (SBA), for a 24 hour time period, at a temperature of 37°C
ahaha alright guys maniwala na kayo sa pinag sasasabi nito na expiry dates are just some random numbers generated by manufacturers, kain lang tayo nang kain guys haha
 
ahaha alright guys maniwala na kayo sa pinag sasasabi nito na expiry dates are just some random numbers generated by manufacturers, kain lang tayo nang kain guys haha
Sino nagsabing random numbers lang? Kaya nga sinabi ko na "Kung napansin mo na mukhang spoiled na yung product", ibig sabihin based on observation yan, di yan random 🤭
Pagdating sa business, di yan hula hula lang. Pinagiisipan nilang mabuti kung anong ilalagay nila jan bago sila magdesisyon
 
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Sino nagsabing random numbers lang? Kaya nga sinabi ko na "Kung napansin mo na mukhang spoiled na yung product", ibig sabihin based on observation yan, di yan random 🤭
Pagdating sa business, di yan hula hula lang. Pinagiisipan nilang mabuti kung anong ilalagay nila jan bago sila magdesisyon
uy nagbago ulet haha, free to put whatever they want as expiry date, ngayon pinag iisipan pala hehe

never zero-out pa din iyan ang microbes, it is the good manufacturing practices that prolongs quality but not to kill all, just prolong quality by slowing down microbial growth, myth pa rin iyan walang microbes na matitira, even the so-called de-contamination is not removing contamination at all, it just killing most of it, there is no such thing as 100% kill without burning everything
 
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uy nagbago ulet haha, free to put whatever they want as expiry date, ngayon pinag iisipan pala hehe
Ang linaw ng pinost ko pero pinutol mo para lang may maipambanat ka 🤭
Manufacturers are free to put whatever expiry date they want on their product. Hindi FDA or DOH mismo ang nagconduct ng laboratory experiment nyan para madetermine kung kelan eksaktong mabulok ang product nila. Of course, kung nabubulok ang product nila in a year, di nila malalagyan ng 2 years expiry yang product nila. But THEY CAN put expiry dates shorter than 1year.
See? Kung random lang, hindi nila icoconsider yan kung kelan nabubulok ang product nila

never zero-out pa din iyan ang microbes, it is the good manufacturing practices that prolongs life but not to kill all, just prolong by slowing down microbial growth, myth pa rin iyan walang microbes na matitira, even the so-called de-contamination is not removing contamination at all, it just killing most of it, there is no such thing as 100% kill without burning everything
Edi maglabas ka ng laboratory test results at pakita mo na sakto after 3months bulok na yan 🤭
 
Ang linaw ng pinost ko pero pinutol mo para lang may maipambanat ka 🤭

See? Kung random lang, hindi nila icoconsider yan kung kelan nabubulok ang product nila
ahaha dun talaga kita aatakihin sa free to put whatever they want kasi your sentences did not agree with each other, ginawa mong walang basihan sa una tas you end up meron naman palang basihan, you keep pushing a 100% kill when it is not the purpose of good manufacturing practices, there is no such a manufactured food that is not a perishable item

Edi maglabas ka ng laboratory test results at pakita mo na sakto after 3months bulok na yan 🤭
hehe ba't biglang meron 3 months? san galing iyan?
 
ahaha dun talaga kita aatakihin sa free to put whatever they want kasi your sentences did not agree with each other, ginawa mong walang basihan sa una tas you end up meron naman palang basihan, you keep pushing a 100% kill when it is not the purpose of good manufacturing practices, there is no such a manufactured food that is not a perishable item
Alin ang di nag agree? Una they observed na 1 year nabubulok ang product nila, then they chose a shorter expiry. Mukha bang di pinagisipan yan? Nasan yung hula 🤭(take note, sample product tinutukoy ko dito ha, baka isipin mo namn na yung tikoy ang tinutukoy ko dito 🤭)

hehe ba't biglang meron 3 months? san galing iyan?
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your first sentence (free to put whatever they want) and your last sentence (pinag-iisipan pala)
They are free to put whatever date they want that is within the safe range na naobserve nila. Gets mo?

so anu meron sa 3 months? di mo alam difference ng shelf life at expiry?
Explain mo
 
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Explain mo
ngek di pala tayo dapat mag bakbakan kasi shelf life naman pala ang tinutukoy mo, the shortest date is the shelf-life date, it is the test validity, it would mean in your case as to test every 3 months until the expiry is reached, every passing test means it can still be used up to another 3 months
 
ngek di pala tayo dapat mag bakbakan kasi shelf life naman pala ang tinutukoy mo, the shortest date is the shelf-life date, it is the test validity, it would mean in your case as to test every 3 months until the expiry is reached, every passing test means it can still be used up to another 3 months
Ngayon ko lang narinig yang "test every 3 months until the expiry is reached, every passing test means it can still be used up to another 3 months" paki post ng source

Edi maglabas ka ng laboratory test results at pakita mo na sakto after 3months bulok na yan 🤭
so anu meron sa 3 months? di mo alam difference ng shelf life at expiry?

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Shelf life is 90days. Expiry date is after the shelf life days, so it's around 3 months. San ako nagkamali? 😂
 

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Is shelf life the same as expiration date?


FACT: Shelf Life does NOT mean expiration date. FACT: A standard's expiration date should never exceed 1 year. FACT: A standard's expiration date and shelf life are two entirely different entities. Chemical stability is only one of many factors involved in defining expiration date and shelf life.
 
Ngayon ko lang narinig yang "test every 3 months until the expiry is reached, every passing test means it can still be used up to another 3 months" paki post ng source
source ko dito is my experience being a warehouse in charge, chemicals yung nasa inventory ko noon at whenever we reached end of shelf life i will send sample to laboratory and get certificate of analysis, this certificate of analysis is sent to manufacturer and they respond with a certificate of re-qualification extending validity of the chemical

yung clue mo dito is shelf life is expressed as period of time, but expiry is expressed as a date

in general, these 2 terms are used interchangeably but on most cases where ISO accreditation is applied malalaman mo difference nito, thanks to ISO

another question to ponder: if foods don’t expire on the exact date, then why is it still called an expiration date if an expiration date is the date when something expires?
 
source ko dito is my experience being a warehouse in charge, chemicals yung nasa inventory ko noon at whenever we reached end of shelf life i will send sample to laboratory and get certificate of analysis, this certificate of analysis is sent to manufacturer and they respond with a certificate of re-qualification extending validity of the chemical

yung clue mo dito is shelf life is expressed as period of time, but expiry is expressed as a date

in general, these 2 terms are used interchangeably but on most cases where ISO accreditation is applied malalaman mo difference nito, thanks to ISO
Expiry dates/shelf life on chemicals is different from food. Slight change in the chemical compostion might affect the result of whatever it will be used for kaya it should strictly be followed.

another question to ponder: if foods don’t expire on the exact date, then why is it still called an expiration date if an expiration date is the date when something expires?
Manufacturers may choose a shorter expiry date than the actual expiry date for business reasons. It's not just about the safety. One reason i could think of is to persuade buyers to toss out and replace products that are still good to eat, hence generate more profit for the manufacturer
 
Expiry dates/shelf life on chemicals is different from food. Slight change in the chemical compostion might affect the result of whatever it will be used for kaya it should strictly be followed.


Manufacturers may choose a shorter expiry date than the actual expiry date for business reasons. It's not just about the safety. One reason i could think of is to persuade buyers to toss out and replace products that are still good to eat, hence generate more profit for the manufacturer
so food is not chemical? hehe
 
Is it a big deal if the food is slightly harder because the water content evaporated? In chemicals, slight change in water content will change the concentration of it
wag gawing general ang isolated cases, just answer yes or no, is food not a chemical?
 
wag gawing general ang isolated cases, just answer yes or no, is food not a chemical?
It is obviously. Pero sa pinag gagamitan ng chemicals, importante jan ang accuracy ng results pero when it comes to eating foods, di masyado nakakaapekto
 
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