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Greek Moses and The 12 Tribes

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On the last You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., we talked about the likeness of Abraham and the patriarchy being ideas derived from Greek sources. It must be a surprising detail to find out that someone as pivotal as Abraham could be Greek in idea. But Abraham is not alone.

Moses is another figure in the Bible with a very important role. Some scholars identified that his character has a very strong basis in ancient Greek. Some of these scholars actually think of it backwards - that the Greeks were the one who copied Moses - but like we already tackled on the previous posts, there are no evidence ever found that the Bible existed before Plato, which points to the fact that it is more likely that the writers of the Bible were the one inspired by contemporary Greek knowledges.

MOSES IS AN ARCHETYPAL You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.

In the book of Exodus, it was Portrayed that Moses led the Jewish masses to scape the Egyptians and how he established a new settlement and setting up LAWS for the "chosen race" to the "Promised land".

Moses as an archetypal figure in both historical and storytelling context is a very Greek concept. In the process of colonization efforts, and establishing a new colony, or a polis (a Greek city with its own constitution), an oekist is chosen [by the will of the gods] to be a leader of the said polis. The oekist is believed to climb up certain mountains to speak with an oracle, to be able to "speak with the gods", therefore, the laws made by the oekists is considered to be laws given by gods.
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These laws are then inscribed on a stone tablet to be displayed in the center of the polis for the citizens to see.

This process is observe in the the Greek colonization of Cyrene in 631 BC, and has been a common theme in Greek literature featuring colonization such us the myth of Jason and the Argonauts - a myth that probably served as inspiration for future colonization efforts.

Fun Fact: the myth of Jason and the Argaunauts appears to be very popular amongs the writers of the LXX (oldest Old Testament source). So much so, that several story-telling themes of the more prominent Old Testament stories were based on the themes of this myth.

12 NATIONS OF ISRAEL

Dividing a colony into 12 tribes is also believed to be a Greek concept. The reasoning behind it is for the oekist (leader) to be able to oversee the polis, alotting 1 month a year for each of the tribes.

But the more damning detail about the 12 nations idea being truly a Greek concept, Greek tribes in its history appears on the Bible in the names of the descendants of Noah, and certain places

Here is How Philippe Wadjenbaum - author of Argonauts of the desert - outlines it.

Gomer - Cimmerians, living on the North coast of the Black Sea—today’s Ukraine (the name of the region, Crimea, retains the original root).
Magog - Gyges; Guges was Iapetus’ giant brother in Hesiod. Another Gyges was the king of Lydia who fought the Cimmerians (Herodotus I, 1-17).
Madai - Medes.
Javan(spelled ION in Hebrew) - Ionian Greeks (Herodotus I, 146 and V, 66); in the Greek tradition Ion is the descendant of Iapetus through Prometheus and Deucalion, whereas in Genesis Ion is the direct son of Japhet.
Tubal and Meshech - Tibarenians and the Moschians (Herodotus III, 94 and VII, 78 and Apollonius, Argonautica II, 1010-15).
Tiras - Thracians,
Ashkenaz - Scythians.
Ripath - Ripheans : Apollonius mentions a people called the Ripheans that lived between the Scythians and the Thracians (Argonautica IV, 285-290) The Sarmatians
Togarmah - Sarmatians (Herodotus IV, 21; 100117)

Considering the sons of Javan:
Elishah - You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., a city in Greece
Tarshish - Tarsus (municipality in Turkey)
Kittim - Kittion (capital of Cyprus)
Dodanim - Rodanim, meaning Rhodes as we read in 1 Chr 1:7. This misspelling can be easily explained, for in the copying of Hebrew manuscripts, mistaking the very similar letters dalet and resh is common. The biblical writer had a relatively good knowledge of the Greeks, their mythical ancestry and geography.

Among the sons of Canaan:
Girgashim (Gen 10:17) - Colchians; the proof of this may be that today Colchis is called Georgia, showing the same transformation of the root.
 

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