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CAN WE TRUST BIASED WRITERS? (The Bible Series)

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CAN WE TRUST BIASED WRITERS?

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The New Testament (NT) writers were obviously biased. They were Christians which means expectedly, nagsulat sila para suportahan ang paniniwala nila kay Jesus Christ, their Savior and Lord. Now the question is, can we still trust their writings? As believers, how can we answer this kind of question?

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First, we should recognize that we are all biased towards something; the same is true to all writers. Lahat ng manunulat ay mayroong agenda sa kanyang sinulat, maaring para ipaalam ang isang bagay, para hikayatin ang mambabasa na paniwalaan ang isang bagay o iba pang dahilan. Dahil every writer, ancient man o modern, ay may purpose sa kanyang sinulat, siya ay matatawag na bias towards his/her purpose. The NT writers, also, have their share of biases. This could be seen in how they select specific details from all the available data during their time. In fact, hindi naman nila ‘yon sinikreto. For example, John directly said that, “Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.” (Jn 20:30-31). Namili lang si John ng gusto niyang ilagay na mga kwento at ang goal niya ay para maniwala kay Kristo kung sinumang magbabasa.

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Dahil ba biased hindi na dapat pagkatiwalaan? Absolutely not! Hindi dahil biased ang isang isinulat pwede na nating sabihin na unreliable ‘yon o useless. Ang mga literatures ng mga Jews na naka-survive sa Holocaust ay mostly patungkol sa horrors ng concentration camps at pang-aabuso ng mga German Nazi. Hindi dahil may bias sila against sa mga Nazi, pwede na nating sabihin na unreliable ang sinulat nila o kaya hindi naman nag-exist ang Holocaust. Balik tayo sa mga NT writers, mapagkakatiwalaan pa rin ba ang ang record nila kung supporter naman sila ng Christian movement that time? “This argument, however, is seriously flawed. There is no necessary connection between supporting a movement and one's ability to tell the truth… Detached objectivity was largely unknown and would have been considered pointless. But historians still distinguished between reliable and unreliable reports.” (Craig Blomberg).

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Magiging problema lang ang bias ng isang writer kapag ito ay sumobra na to the point na na-fabricate na o kaya na-distort na ang event na kaniyang ni-record. The NT writers recorded the life of Jesus proving that He actually existed. Ang mga non-Christian ancient historians ay nagpapatunay din na nabuhay talaga si Jesus. This shows na kahit biased ang NT writers (dahil sila ay Christians) makakaasa tayo na hindi bunga ng imahinasyon nila si Jesus, and so, their records could be used as historical basis of the life of Christ during the First Century, kasama ng ang iba pang evidence outside the NT.

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We should also take note that the NT writers were not just some random people na gusto lang mag-recruit sa kanilang “fandom.” They were eyewitnesses to the events they were writing about, and they invited their original readers to verify what they had written (“Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive...” 1Cor 15:6). They claimed na nakita nila kung ano ang sinasabi nila (see Jn 19:35; 2 Ptr 1:16; etc) or atleast, may access sila sa mga taong nakakita (see Lk 1:1-4). Hindi natin pwedeng i-disregard ang sinasabi nila dahil lang gusto rin nila na i-convert ang iba. Kung iisipin, kung talagang nakita nila ang sinasabi nilang nakita nila, makaasa tayong mas magiging maingat sila sa mga ire-record nila, dahil ang eternal salvation ng makakabasa ang nakataya! They gained nothing in this world because of these writings kaya walang basehan na isipin na inimbento lang nila ang sinulat nila dahil mga biased sila; instead, they received persecution, poverty, and death. They suffered not because they just believed something was true, but because they were certain that what they witnessed was true—and nothing could change their minds.

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Kung mula sa pagkain ni Eba ng mansanas ay nauso na ang pagsisinungaling, maniniwala ka pa ba sa mga taong nagsulat ng mga kasulatang yan?

Kung lahat ng tao ay sinungaling na simula nung nauso ang kasalanan sa sanlibutan, maniniwala ka pa ba sa mga taong sumulat ng "katotohanan"?
 
Kung mula sa pagkain ni Eba ng mansanas ay nauso na ang pagsisinungaling, maniniwala ka pa ba sa mga taong nagsulat ng mga kasulatang yan?

Kung lahat ng tao ay sinungaling na simula nung nauso ang kasalanan sa sanlibutan, maniniwala ka pa ba sa mga taong sumulat ng "katotohanan"?

Kami po ay naniniwala na ito ay may basbas ni Lord.
2 Timothy 3:14-17
14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
Kami po ay naniniwala na ito ay may basbas ni Lord.
For me, hindi ito binasbasbasan, sinubukang i-persuade yung mga mambabasa para maniwala sa bawat nakasulat.

Sa aking perspective, advance sila mag-isip (yung "mga" sumulat) dahil alam nila kung paano makukuha ang tiwala at atensyon ng mga mambabasa sa pamamagitan ng pag-relate nito sa mga pangyayaring naganap/nagaganap/magaganap sa totoong buhay. Kung ikaw man ay naka-relate sa iilang mga kwentong nakapaloob dito ay tiyak na maniniwala kang totoo ang lahat ng mga ito.

Sa aking pananaw, di man ako naniniwala sa (ilang) mga nangyari sa bibliya (tulad ng mga milagro't iba pang piksyonal na pangyayari), ang tingin ko pa rin sa mga nakasulat ay mga kwentong may magagandang aral.

Magagandang aral na kung saan pwede natin itong i-apply sa ating buhay.

Bibliya ang nagsisilbing "guide" natin para sa tamang landas na ating tatahakin. Nakapaloob dito kung ano ang tama at mali na makikita naman natin sa totoong buhay (maging mga karanasan ng mga manunulat noon).

Kumbaga halo-halo ang nilalaman ng bibliya, may history, philosophy, atbp.
Kaya tinawag ito na "Book of Life" bukod sa mga nakatalang mga (bilang) na pangyayari noon, may mga istorya din na makakapagpamulat satin at may mga aral na makapagsasabi sayong "ito ang gawin mo habang buhay ka pa" at "ito ang dapat mong gawin dahil ito ang tama at yun ang mali". Madami ding mga metaphors sa bibliya at nakadepende naman ang mga nakasulat sa kung ano ang pagkakaintindi natin.

Nirerespeto ko ang lahat ng paniniwala.

Magandang Umaga.
 
For me, hindi ito binasbasbasan, sinubukang i-persuade yung mga mambabasa para maniwala sa bawat nakasulat.

Sa aking perspective, advance sila mag-isip (yung "mga" sumulat) dahil alam nila kung paano makukuha ang tiwala at atensyon ng mga mambabasa sa pamamagitan ng pag-relate nito sa mga pangyayaring naganap/nagaganap/magaganap sa totoong buhay. Kung ikaw man ay naka-relate sa iilang mga kwentong nakapaloob dito ay tiyak na maniniwala kang totoo ang lahat ng mga ito.

Sa aking pananaw, di man ako naniniwala sa (ilang) mga nangyari sa bibliya (tulad ng mga milagro't iba pang piksyonal na pangyayari), ang tingin ko pa rin sa mga nakasulat ay mga kwentong may magagandang aral.

Magagandang aral na kung saan pwede natin itong i-apply sa ating buhay.

Bibliya ang nagsisilbing "guide" natin para sa tamang landas na ating tatahakin. Nakapaloob dito kung ano ang tama at mali na makikita naman natin sa totoong buhay (maging mga karanasan ng mga manunulat noon).

Kumbaga halo-halo ang nilalaman ng bibliya, may history, philosophy, atbp.
Kaya tinawag ito na "Book of Life" bukod sa mga nakatalang mga (bilang) na pangyayari noon, may mga istorya din na makakapagpamulat satin at may mga aral na makapagsasabi sayong "ito ang gawin mo habang buhay ka pa" at "ito ang dapat mong gawin dahil ito ang tama at yun ang mali". Madami ding mga metaphors sa bibliya at nakadepende naman ang mga nakasulat sa kung ano ang pagkakaintindi natin.

Nirerespeto ko ang lahat ng paniniwala.

Magandang Umaga.
Well if that's the case, good for you.

Kung selective lang ang pinaniniwalaan mo sa Bible then paano ka nag-come up na yung ibang nakalagay sa Bible ay fiction. I'm not hyper-charistmatic but I believe in miracles. Kung nakalagay sa Bible na "Masama ang kahalayan" at sinasabi nating tama ito, then kung nakalagay din sa Bible na "Hinati ni Moises ang dagat", then for me I should also believe it. Kung hindi, para akong balimbing non.
 
you cannot prove something by using that something lolz

bible din ginamit mo to verify itself anu ba iyan oi
 
kasi paano mo ma-verify ang isang thing if you also use that the same thing as proof? unverified na nga gagawin mo pang proof to prove itself
Then that's why I gave you an external evidence.
Now kung di ka magpapatalo, I've already presented a verse inside the Bible to serve as INTERNAL evidence and some literary works during their time to serve as EXTERNAL evidence, then I'm out. Hindi ko ipipilit sayo kung ano mga alam kong tama.
 
Then that's why I gave you an external evidence.
Now kung di ka magpapatalo, I've already presented a verse inside the Bible to serve as INTERNAL evidence and some literary works during their time to serve as EXTERNAL evidence, then I'm out. Hindi ko ipipilit sayo kung ano mga alam kong tama.
ok let's consider those external sources, hindi nga rin sila magka sundo sundo, paano sila magiging proof if magka-iba sinasabi nila

let's say meron din naman silang similarity i.e. jesus actually exist in the past, pero hindi lang iyon ang ka-buo-an ng bible eh, kung sana nag claim lang si bible that jesus existed edi siguro pwede pa paniwalaan
 
kung sana nag claim lang si bible that jesus existed edi siguro pwede pa paniwalaan
There's a lot of verses in the Bible that says that.

John 1:1-4
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
This verse says that Jesus was with God right from the start.

1 Tim: 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope,
This verse was said by Paul, affirming that Jesus exists.
 
There's a lot of verses in the Bible that says that.


This verse says that Jesus was with God right from the start.


This verse was said by Paul, affirming that Jesus exists.
di nga pwede gamitin ang bible itself kasi si bible nga mismo ang in-question dito, tinatanong dito if true ba ang sinabi ng john 1:1-4 at 1 tim 1:1
 
natawa ako sa accuracy of copies column, biglang may lumitaw na 99.5% nang walang detalye paano nangyare

invalid yung "number of copies" as basis kasi naka depend iyon sa content, bible is intended to be copied in tremendous numbers since book of recruit siya eh, lugi yung ibang books which don't even care about their popularity
If you can't accept historians and scholars who studied the manuscripts and can conclude there accuracy then why not do it yourself?

Base on what empirical evidence are saying na book of recruit ang bible? Can you give an anecdotal evidence of proof?

FYI - The number of copies is needed in order for scholars to compare the manuscripts to each other. And it prove how the copies was preserve in by generations. Kaya nga naka conclude sila ng accuracy sa number of copies.

P.S. did you even read it all, have you not read that there are scholars in the past in Jesus time. Quoting Him on there studies?

PSS - No credible historian in the 20th century will ever deny the reliability of the bible and the life of Jesus Christ. Most of them are non-christian.
 
If you can't accept historians and scholars who studied the manuscripts and can conclude there accuracy then why not do it yourself?

Base on what empirical evidence are saying na book of recruit ang bible? Can you give an anecdotal evidence of proof?

FYI - The number of copies is needed in order for scholars to compare the manuscripts to each other. And it prove how the copies was preserve in by generations. Kaya nga naka conclude sila ng accuracy sa number of copies.

P.S. di you even read it all, have you not read that there are scholars in the past in Jesus time. Quoting Him on there studies?

PSS - No credible historian in the 20th century will ever deny the reliability of the bible and the life of Jesus Christ. Most of them are non-christian.
Obviously, mukang di sya interesado kahit anong evidence ang ibigay sa kanya. Mindset at puso na ang may problema sa kanya.
 
Di ako sasawsaw sa malalim nyo ng arguments pero gusto ko lang pansinin yung "LAHAT NG PANINIWALA NIRERESPETO KO"

Irepesto mo yung kapwa mo pero wag yung PANINIWALANG sumasalungat sa PANINIWALA MO. Kasi lumalabas parang AGREE ka na din sa paniniwala ng iba pero sobrang tapang mo para idefend yung sarili mong paniniwala. Lumalabas kang BALIMBING. RESPECT THE PEOPLE but NOT THEIR WRONG BELIEFS. Siguro naman naniniwala kang TAMA ANG SAYO so DAPAT hindi ka magmukhang walang bait sa sarili mong paniniwala nang dahil sa pag RESPETO sa hindi mo naman paniniwala.


Para sakin KALOKOHAN yang nirerespeto mo lahat ng paniniwala. Para kang alikabok na kung saan hipan ng hangin agree ka na lang ng agree. Tao ang irespeto mo pero wag yung paniniwala lalo kung hindi mo naman paniniwala.
 
Base on what empirical evidence are saying na book of recruit ang bible? Can you give an anecdotal evidence of proof?
give me a religion that does not recruit followers, yung jesus nga sa bible panay travel recruit ng followers e

FYI - The number of copies is needed in order for scholars to compare the manuscripts to each other.
no, those number of copies does not represent the number of scholars studying, so if for comparison lang ang purpose ng replication it should correspond to the number of scholars so they can compare their impressions

And it prove how the copies was preserve in by generations.
no, it is not the number of copies preserved, it is just the number of copies produced

Kaya nga naka conclude sila ng accuracy sa number of copies.
oh well, acceptable din naman kung ganoon

P.S. did you even read it all, have you not read that there are scholars in the past in Jesus time. Quoting Him on there studies?
existence of jesus can be true or let's say it's true but it is not the only thing that the bible claimed.
one true claim does not make all other claims true as well

PSS - No credible historian in the 20th century will ever deny the reliability of the bible and the life of Jesus Christ. Most of them are non-christian.
"existence of jesus" being true does not correspond to "existence of god" being true, these are 2 different claims
 

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