1. John 3:12-13, John 20:17, John 14:28, Si Jesus mismo nagsabi niyan, he has God and his father is greater than him. Ibig mo bang sabihin nong bina-baptized siya ni john the baptist, kanyang boses din yun ang narinig niya at ni Juan? Noong nag pray sia sa garden of Gethsemane, kanyang boses din yung sumagot sa kanya at ng mga apostoles niya? Ano si Jesus, pang famas ang ka dramahan? artista ba siya? Jesus is seated at the righ-hand of the Father. So, siya ang naka upo sa throne at siya din sa kanyang right-hand? Does it make sense?
Mukha ngang malaki ang problema mo sir.
Nung sinabi ni Jesus na the Father is greater than him, hindi ibig sabihin ay hindi na God si Jesus. Kung mag isip pa tayo, ang point of reference ni Jesus ay ang humanity . Naaalala mo ba na Jesus descended here on earth? Siya ay nagkatawang tao. Ang Katawang tao ba ay greater sa heavenly being or form of life? Look at these bible verses:
". . . made for a little while lower than the angels . . ." (
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Ito ang dapat mong alamin na ang Father is distinct from Jesus. Father is God, Jesus is God too. Also, the Holy SPirit is God too. pero hindi yang tatlo na yan hindi iiisa na persona. they are all distinct. itong tatlong persona na ito ang bumubuo sa God. Iisa ang Dios sa tatlong persona. noong nag pray si jesus kay father god dahil nga ay nagkatawang tao siya at katawang tao is lesser than the heavenly being. you think jesus will pray to the father kapag lahat sila nasa langit?kuha mo ba ang logic napakasimple di ba?jesus was just demonstrating his human-form. modalism o sabellianism naman ang tinutukoy mo in the sense that jesus is also the father. No no no. walang turo ang kristyanismo na ganyan. kathang isip mo lang yan na si jesus at father ay iisang persona. binabaluktot mo ang tunay o orihinal na turo ng kristyanidad. jesus and the father are co-equal, co-eternal, two distinct persons of God.
2. Ecclesiastes 9:5, John 3:12-13 . The dead know nothing at all. Jesus said no one ever ascended to heaven except him descending on earth.
ung writer ng ecclesiastes nasa isipan nya ay 'anything under the sun' at hindi ung kung anu man ang nsa kabilang buhay. ikaw halimbawa, since you are alive, ang perspective mo sa patay ay wala na siya kasi ang reference mo ay ung sarili mo as a living being. ung writer tinutukoy nya ang nakakaawang akalagayan ng sangkatauhan apart from god and if we only rely sa wisdom ng sangkatauhan. mukhang dinasagdagan mo ang kahulugan ng sinabi sa biblya. hindi ibig sabihin kapag the dead know nothing, so the bible in whole too says walang soul/no no no. huwag i literal ang sinabi ng ecclesiastes. siguro i try mong i ponder ang verses na ito sa bible book na ni quote mo mismo. do you trhink the writer contradicts himself o kaya nag short cut ka lang ng konklusyon/
"Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and
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The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person. For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil," (
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3. John 11: 23-26 Jesus said to her: “Your brother will rise.” Martha said to him: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.” Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life;You do not have permission to view the full content of this post.
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Clear na resurrection ang tinuturo ni Jesus, keep in mind, that these siblings are very close to Jesus. Kung nasa sa langit na si lazarus bubuhayin pa ba siya ni Jesus? Kung ikaw si Lazarus babalik ka pa ba sa lupa?
4. Isaiah 45:18 at Psalms 37:29, Psalms 37: 10-11. Klaro naman na we will live here on earth. Saan ba nag create ang Dios ng tao, sa langit ba? From dust, it means sa earth niya ginawa ang tao and human are meant to live here on earth. D naman tayo anghel na nakatira sa langit.
5. Mas reasonable na sa earth tayo maninirahan, dahil ginawa ang earth para sa atin at yan ang nakasulat sa bible. We are all longed to have a fair justice, no shortage of food, no war na mangyayari lang sa pagdating ng kingdom na paghaharian ni Jesus.
that bible passage only demonstrate the power of jesus OVER DEATH as GOD. paano mapapaniwala ni jesus ang sangkatauhan kapag hindi nya ipinakita ang kakayahan niya na kaya nyang buhayin ang patay. ibig bang sabihin kapag ipinakita nya na bumuhay sya ng patay ay wala ng kaluluwa ang tao. may supporting verses ka ba dyan?
walang nag de deny na we live in this planet earth. hindi mo kailangan ako tanungin kung saan nag create ng tao ang God. in this temporal reality, natural na we meant to live here on earth. by using your reason, do you think if we live forever, to live a physical body and in this earth alone is reasonable. matanong kita bro. mga ilang bilyon tao kayang i sustain ng earth? if we meant to live forever here on earth, so there will be a time na reproduction will stop? may supporting verses ka ba dyan? o kaya kaunting imahinasyon kung forever life sa earth, anu ano ang forever activities sa earthly life ang posible para hindi ma bored?
sa tingin mo yan lang ang aim ng tao ung pagdating na panahon, no war, no food shortage, and justice? paano na kapag na met na yan and forever to infinity hindi kaya ma bored ang sangkatauhan. lahat ba ng enjoyment nasa earth na kapag forever ang pinag uusapan?
panahon na para isipin mo ang bible verses na ito...
Matthew 8:11 "But I tell YOU that many from eastern parts and western parts will come and recline at the table with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of the
heavens."
Matthew 5:11-12 "Happy are YOU when people reproach YOU and persecute YOU and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against YOU for my sake. Rejoice and leap for joy, since
YOUR reward is great in the heavens; for in that way they
persecuted the prophets prior to YOU.
Luke 16:22 "Now in course of time the beggar died and he was carried off by the angels to the bosom [position] of Abraham."
Hebrews 11:13-16 "In faith all these died, although they did not get the [fulfillment of the] promises, but they saw them afar off and welcomed them and publicly declared that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land. For those who say such things give evidence that they are earnestly seeking a place of their own. And yet, if they had indeed kept remembering that [place] from which they had gone forth, they would have had opportunity to return. But now they are
reaching out for a better [place], that is, one belonging to heaven. Hence God is not ashamed of them, to be called upon as their God, for he has made a city ready for them."
Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone saying to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will."
John 14:2-4"In the house of my Father there are many abodes. Otherwise, I would have told YOU, because I am going my way to prepare a place for YOU. 3 Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for YOU, I am coming again and will receive YOU home to myself, that where I am YOU also may be. 4 And where I am going YOU know the way."
maliwanag naman dyan siguro na ang biblya ay hindi tinutukoy ang physical resurrection at mabuhay dito sa earth forever and ever. kung tayo bilang may isip, hindi natin kailangan i limit ang buhay sa earth. natural sa tao na mag isip pa siya na someday gusto nya makapiling si God sa langit.a little bit of imagination guided by reason and thw Holy Spirit para maintindihan ang tunay na sinasabi sa bible. hindi ung nililiteral lahat.
5. Ecclesiastes 9:5, John 3:12-13, Genesis 3:19, Ecclesiastes 3.:20. Bumabasa pa talaga kayo ng Bible o nakikinig lang kung sa ano ang tinuturo sa inyo?
pwde ko ba sagutin ng tanong ang tanong mo bro?
tayo po ba ay nanalangin para i guide ng Holy Spirit upang maintindihan ang biblya? tayo po ba ay tunay na nananaliksik o we are just taking for granted ang mga sinasabi o turo ng iisang ahensya o grupo ng religious committee? saan mo natin nakuha ang mga sinasabi natin sa atin po ba mismo o sa sariling kaisipan ng iiisang religious committee na ang pagkakakaaalam ay ang sarili nilang interpretesyon sa biblya ang tunay na interpretasyon at hindi ang interpretasyon ng iba pa? ang biblya po ba na ginagamit natin ay walang binaluktot na mga salita o binaluktot po ba para lang masuportahan ang mga unbiblical doctrines natin? ang biblya po ba na ginagamit mo ay sure na hindi binaluktot ang mga ilang salita para tumugma sa sarili mong pananampalataya?ANU PO BANG translation ng bible ang ginagamit mo para ma discuss natiN?
Siguro na confuse kayo sa mga nakasulat na spirito bumalik sa Dios at sabi ni Stephen take my spirit at iba pa. Gen 2:7“God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life.” take note, even, na form na si Adan, he was lifeless until God blow into his nostrils. It is a life giving force, walang personality (parang sa emergency room lang, electric shock na binbigay ng mga doctor). Lahat ng nabubuhay ay may life giving force. Now bakit bumalik sa Dios after a person dies dahil siya ang nagbigay. Without God we cannot live even a single second, minute or hour.
Walang nakasulat na gumawa ang Dios ng isa pang immortal spirit being of Adan tapos pinasok niya sa dead body ni Adan para mabuhay siya.
If indeed na may immortal soul, anong mangyayari sa naging baliw, na amnesia, na Alzheimer?
SIGURO hindi naman ako na confuse dahil maliwanag at nagkalat sa biblya mga verses na sumusuporta sa existence ng soul. kailangan lang intindihin mo ang background ng sinasabi sa genesis. it does not tell literally na the soul is not immortal o the soul is the whole of that person or body. isa pa, may problema ang ginagamit mong bible translation. would you please reveal your bible translation? huwag mo iparehas lahat ng kaulugan ng soul sa bible. katulad nito look at these bible verses...
Genesis 2:7 - then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.( wala naman problema kung ang tao ay soul. you only have to understand the background of the verse)
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1Peter 3:20 where is says that "eight persons (souls), were saved through water." But I have noticed also that the Bible has a wide range of the use of the word "soul" [Heb. Nephesh, Gk. Psuche].
for example:
Gen 35:18 – a soul can go out at death.
1Kgs 17:21 – come back in a person.
Luke 1:46 – people have souls.
Mt 10:28 – the soul is not the body and it can’t be killed by man.
Josh 10:37 – can be struck with a sword.
Ps 42:6; Ps 43:5 – is the dwelling of emotions.
Rev 6:9-11 – can speak after death.
the bible sometimes speaks of a person is a soul, there is a soul in a person, the soul survives death. does it mean the bible contradicts itself? no no no. you only have to understand each verse and the background when that vere was first spoken.
here are other biblical verses regarding the soul
Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins shall die.
- The context here is just saying that a person will have to be accountable for their own sin, not their children. But you are saying that this verse is saying that souls can and do die. I agree with that, but not in the sense that when a person sins his soul dies, meaning ceases to exist. A person’s soul can be dead to God, meaning that they have fallen out of relationship with him like in
Luke 15:24 - About the prodigal son, the father says - my son was dead and is alive, he was lost and now is found.
Psalms 146:4 - When his breath departs he returns to his earth; on that very day his plans perish .
- The Hebrew word here for thoughts implies ‘plans’, as if when the person dies, all the plans that he had planned cannot come to fruition because he died before be could make them come to pass. The whole psalm is about trusting in the Lord and not in man, because while plans of men perish the plan of God is forever and can be trusted.
Finally
Ecclesiastes 9:5 - For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing.
- If you have spoken with a corps lately you will notice that you have done all of the talking. It is in this sense that the dead know nothing. Even the context of this verse betrays the interpreation of the Jehovah’s Witnesses if we read the whole 12 chapters of Ecclesiastes
In
Ecclesiastes 3:20, 21 - All go to one place; all are from the dust, and all turn to dustagain.21 Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down to the earth? So the author himself asks the question about where does the spirit go at death?
Ecclesiastes 12:7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. At the end of the book he gives the answer - the spirit returns to God - it isn’t destroyed at all.
that the soul survives death...
Matt 10:28 - do not fear those who can kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
Matt 17:3 - Moses and Elijah - (two dead guys) talking to Jesus
Luke 16:23 - Lazarus and the rich man. Whether this is a parable or not, Jesus always drew his images from real life situations.
Philipians 1:23 - St. Paul says, My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Sa genesis nag warn ang Dios na mamatay sila Adan at Eva. Paano naging hatol ang kamatayan kung may buhay naman pala tayong tao after death. What is the use of resurrection kung buhay namn pala?