Trivia PAGANO BA ANG PASKO?

[Kaplok Kaplok]

homosexuality tanggap naman yan ng church at hindi nila tanggap e yun pakikipag-talik sa kapwa sa same *** kaya kinakasal pa nga nila sa simbahan hindi naman nagagalit or nag-rereact ang simbahan remember PBB OTSO MITCH

Hindi ko nbalitaan yan. Pero maganda kung ganun.
Pero magkakabit talaga ung pagtatalik sa pagkasal. So mukhang hindi pa settled ang usapan diyan.

 

[stellarium]

mas tamang sabihin na hinango sa pagan festivals ng ibat ibang kultura ng europa, assimilation ang ginawang taktika ng Roman Church para madaling i convert ang mga pagano, at hindi lang pasko, maging ang halloween halos lahat ay mula sa custom and traditions ng mga pagano.

sa ngayon x-mass is not about the birthday of jesus, tanungin mo man ang isang batang paslit kung ano ang naiisip nila sa pasko ang isasagot niya sayo, si santa clause, ang mahiwagang medyas sa bintana, regalo at aginaldo

homosexuality tanggap naman yan ng church at hindi nila tanggap e yun pakikipag-talik sa kapwa sa same *** kaya kinakasal pa nga nila sa simbahan hindi naman nagagalit or nag-rereact ang simbahan remember PBB OTSO MITCH

sa kabuuang aral ng Iglesia Katolika hindi makakapasok sa langit ang nasa labas ng iglesia katolika pati na ang mga bakla at tomboy

Kino conflate mo ang bible at ang tradition. Magkaiba yun. Bible is already complete. Pero traditions will continue to evolve. Im sure magiging acceptable na ang homosexuality at some point, maybe not in my lifetime, pero it will happen. Only zealots will think that its a bad thing.

hindi iyan ang aral ng Iglesia Katolika.. ang Roman Catholicism ay hindi tulad ng mga repormista at sulpot na Iglesia (if you really know the early history of the church) na sola scriptura (bible alone) sila ay may dalawang saligan pag dating sa religious doctrine (1) The Biblec (2) Magisterium

Ang tradition or apostolic tradition ay mula sa tradition ng mga apostol na hindi naisulat sa bibliya which the apostols passed from early christians from mouth to ear, at may biblical na basehan yan

"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter." -2 Thessalonica 2:15

"You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also." -2 Tim 2:1-2

Hindi maari gawing batayan lang ay ang bibliya dahil ng mangaral ang mga apostoles ni jesus, wala silang dalang bagong tipan, ang bagong tipan (the gospels and the epistles) ay nakulekta lamang at natipon bilang isang canonical book noong patay na ang mga apostol, sa katunayan hindi kasama sa proseso ng pagtitipon ng new testament ang mga apostol sapagkat sila ay wala na ng ang new testament ay ni compile at pinili as one canonical book ng iglesia katolika.

now hindi ako catholic pero kung pamimiliin ako umanib sa mga sekta ng kristyanismo i will choose the catholic church o orthodox church.. why? dahil hindi tulad ng mga sulpot na Iglesia ang iglesia katolika at orthodox church lamang ang tanging may direct connection back to the original apostles of Jesus and their students the early church fathers.. may ibubuga sila sa kasaysayan ng Kristyanismo, something na wala sa iglesia ni Manalo, sa Sabadista ni Ellen G White, sa Saksi ni Jehovah ni Charles Russel, Mormones ni Joseph Smith, MCGI ni Soriano, Maluwag ang Turnilyo Church ni Quibulok at kung ano ano pang mga iglesia na tatag ng mga kung sino sinong galunggong na wala naman kinalaman sa history ng christianity

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

hindi iyan ang aral ng Iglesia Katolika.. ang Roman Catholicism ay hindi tulad ng mga repormista at sulpot na Iglesia (if you really know the early history of the church) na sola scriptura (bible alone) sila ay may dalawang saligan pag dating sa religious doctrine (1) The Biblec (2) Magisterium

Ang tradition or apostolic tradition ay mula sa tradition ng mga apostol na hindi naisulat sa bibliya which the apostols passed from early christians from mouth to ear, at may biblical na basehan yan

"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter." -2 Thessalonica 2:15

"You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also." -2 Tim 2:1-2

I believe you. Ito talaga ang natural na pananaw sa loob ng Katolisismo. Gusto nila panatilihin ang sinimulang tradisyon nila hangga't maari. Hindi aamin ang simbahang Katolika na magbabago ang tradition nila sa susunod na panahon, kung tatanungin sila sa kahit anong punto ng history.
Kahit kung titingnan nmn ito mula sa labas, mayroon naman unti-unting pagbabago ayon sa panahon. Sadyang sobrang bilis lng magbago ng panahon na dinatnan natin, kaya napagiwanan na ang Katolisismo.

Katulad noong isa sa naunang analogy ko, (comparing to evolution, kung saan mayroon padin tayo ng mga katangian ng sinaunang nilalang), isang conservative process ang pagbabago ng relihiyon sa paglipas ng panahon. At patungo ito papunta sa liberal, habang unti-unti nito inaassimilate ang bawat tradisyon na masasakupan nito. At siguradong ang pagbabago na mga ito ay tututulan ng mga fanatic na miyembro. But the fact remain, nagbabago ito.
Mga halimbawa nga ay si Santa Claus, Santa Muerte ng mexico, at yung sinasamba ng mga sinaunang Pilipino, Poong (bathalang) Maykapal.

now hindi ako catholic pero kung pamimiliin ako umanib sa mga sekta ng kristyanismo i will choose the catholic church o orthodox church.. why? dahil hindi tulad ng mga sulpot na Iglesia ang iglesia katolika at orthodox church lamang ang tanging may direct connection back to the original apostles of Jesus and their students the early church fathers.. may ibubuga sila sa kasaysayan ng Kristyanismo, something na wala sa iglesia ni Manalo, sa Sabadista ni Ellen G White, sa Saksi ni Jehovah ni Charles Russel, Mormones ni Joseph Smith, MCGI ni Soriano, Maluwag ang Turnilyo Church ni Quibulok at kung ano ano pang mga iglesia na tatag ng mga kung sino sinong galunggong na wala naman kinalaman sa history ng christianity

Parehas tayo. Catholic ako bininyagan at pinalaki. Atheist ako nung magkaisip, hanggang ngayon, atheist padin sa paniniwala. Pero katoliko padin ang tradisyon na pipiliin ko pra sa pamilya ko, dahil mas madali ito ipaliwanag sa mas balanseng paraan. Marami sa mga nagtatag ng bagong sekta, inadopt lng din nmn nila mostly ung pangit sa katoliko.

 

[Arlertz]

For TS, GildartsTale

Hmmm, that's your OWN opinion. Marami pong problema sa opinion mo sa thread po na ito para lang i-justify mo(or 'niyo' ng religion mo) na okay lang i-celebrate ang Christmas.

1. December 25 ba talaga ipinanganak si Jesus? Answer: NO. Kung hindi mo alam yan, research mo po kung bakit HINDI PWEDENG December 25 siya ipinanganak. IMPOSIBLENG DECEMBER 25 IPINANGANAK SI JESUS.

2. Ikaw narin nagsabi at alam mo rin sa sarili mo na ang ORIGIN ng Christmas ay Pagan. Kung hindi mo alam yan kung paano ikinonekta ang birthday daw ni Jesus sa pagan, i-research mo din yan. Basa basa din.

3. Inutos ba ni Jesus na i-celebrate ang birthday niya? Kung dapat talaga i-celebrate ng mga tunay na tagasunod niya ang birthday niya o yung Christmas, sobrang dali lang niya sabihin yan. PERO hindi po niya yan ginawa. Wala kang mababasa na sinabi ni Jesus na i-celebrate ng mga tunay na tagasunod niya ang birthday niya o ang Christmas. ISA lang po ang direkta niyang inutos na dapat ipagdiwang o alalahanin ng mga tunay na tagasunod niya. Kung di mo alam yan, i-research mo din po yan.

4. Ipalagay natin na ikaw kunwari si Jesus, tapos wala ka naman inutos sa mga followers mo na i-celebrate nila ang birthday mo pero nag celebrate sila, tapos ang matindi ay ikinonekta pa nila ang birthday mo "kuno" na December 25 sa PAGAN (pagsamba sa mga diyos-diyosan, TAKE NOTE, "diyos-diyosan") for whatever reasons, matutuwa ka ba?

Pababawin natin.. Halimbawa pong nag pa-party yung pinsan mo sa mga kaibigan niya at kamaganak niyo dahil sabi ng pinsan mo, yung buhay daw ng isang pinakamasamang kriminal na tao na walang kakikitaang mabuti eh naaalala ka raw niya sa taong kriminal na iyon. Tapos nag agree naman yung mga taong invited niya at masaya sila nagparty-party sila thinking na may similarity nga kayo or naaalala ka nila sa taong kriminal na iyon. Ano mararamdaman mo? Matutuwa ka?


Marami pang pointers sa justification mo sa thread po na ito para lang maging katanggap tanggap "kuno" ang pag celebrate ng Christmas. Ultimo yung pope at mga credible resources eh nagsasabing di naman December 25 ipinanganak si Jesus.

Anyway, nonsense naman po ipaliwanag ko pa lahat yon. Kung gusto niyo pong i-celebrate yan at masaya naman po kayo jan, go lang po. But to say na hindi na ito related sa "Pagan" dahil lang iba na panahon natin at parang nagbago na ang ginagawa sa ngayon kumpara noon, eh ewan ko lang hehe. Ciao. Napadaan lang po

 

[swagermove13]

Sana ngayung pasko ay ma alala mo parin ako. Kumanta nalang kayo

 

[Juxatopose03]

Kung napanood nyo na yung Adam Ruins Everything (Origin of Christmas), Andon yung researched facts nila. Ginawa lang nilang comedic at animated ang presentation for satyrical effects pero every trivias nila ay may links and references sila to support yung statements nila.
Technically hindi naman sha nag originate sa Pagans, sa pagkakaintindi ko gumawa sila ng routine amidst pagan seasons to prevent the rampant paganism spread that time sow... Ayun, panoorin nyu yun saka kayo mag derive ng sarili din ninyong opinions.

 

[Bradford]

basta ako diko dama ang pasko

 

[Arlertz]

Kung napanood nyo na yung Adam Ruins Everything (Origin of Christmas), Andon yung researched facts nila. Ginawa lang nilang comedic at animated ang presentation for satyrical effects pero every trivias nila ay may links and references sila to support yung statements nila.
Technically hindi naman sha nag originate sa Pagans, sa pagkakaintindi ko gumawa sila ng routine amidst pagan seasons to prevent the rampant paganism spread that time sow... Ayun, panoorin nyu yun saka kayo mag derive ng sarili din ninyong opinions.

Tanong ko lang sayo, pakisagot po. December 25 ba talaga ipinanganak si Jesus according sa bible? O yung date na "December 25" ay ni-connect lang sa pagan celebration?

Maka like naman si GildartsTale sa comment mo porket agree yung comment mo sa post niya

So GildartsTale, ikaw po, ano sagot mo jan sa tanong ko na yan? Kahit yang #1 lang po, baka hirap ka sagutin yung iba pang sinabi ko e hehe. December 25 ba ipinanganak si Jesus based on the bible? Yes or no?

 

[Thea18]

Tanong ko lang sayo, pakisagot po. December 25 ba talaga ipinanganak si Jesus according sa bible? O yung date na "December 25" ay ni-connect lang sa pagan celebration?ano sagot mo jan.

So GildartsTale, ikaw po tanong ko na yan? Kahit yang #1 lang po, baka hirap ka sagutin yung iba pang sinabi ko e hehe. December 25 ba ipinanganak si Jesus based on the bible? Yes or no?

Jw na jw ang dating ah

 

[Arlertz]

Jw na jw ang dating ah

Wenks? Hehe. Ano kaya yun?

 

[Juxatopose03]

Tanong ko lang sayo, pakisagot po. December 25 ba talaga ipinanganak si Jesus according sa bible? O yung date na "December 25" ay ni-connect lang sa pagan celebration?

Maka like naman si GildartsTale sa comment mo porket agree yung comment mo sa post niya

So GildartsTale, ikaw po, ano sagot mo jan sa tanong ko na yan? Kahit yang #1 lang po, baka hirap ka sagutin yung iba pang sinabi ko e hehe. December 25 ba ipinanganak si Jesus based on the bible? Yes or no?

Di akp sure kung nabasa mo ba lahat o hinde sir haha diko dinidiscredit yung mga snasabi mo, in fact kung pinanuod mo nga yung rinecommend mo, may konting leanings nga yung video sa article mo eh For the record walang exact date ang actual birth ni jesus christ. Yang date na yan ay sinet lang as a date to celebrate ang birth nya... Di sinabing birthday nya yun po and then somewhere down the history nagkaroon ng misconceptions... Isa ka ngayun sa umaatake sa part na yon at isa din sa di nakaintindi ano meaning nyang dec.25 malapit na christmas eh ayaw moba mag celebrate

 

[Arlertz]

Di akp sure kung nabasa mo ba lahat o hinde sir haha diko dinidiscredit yung mga snasabi mo, in fact kung pinanuod mo nga yung rinecommend mo, may konting leanings nga yung video sa article mo eh For the record walang exact date ang actual birth ni jesus christ. Yang date na yan ay sinet lang as a date to celebrate ang birth nya... Di sinabing birthday nya yun po and then somewhere down the history nagkaroon ng misconceptions... Isa ka ngayun sa umaatake sa part na yon at isa din sa di nakaintindi ano meaning nyang dec.25 malapit na christmas eh ayaw moba mag celebrate

Aaahhh hehe sabagay. Tbh di ko napanood yang comedy show na yan o yung episode na binanggit mo. Pero naiintindihan ko kung paano nag start ang "Christmas" based narin sa mga reliable sources.. Kaya siguro ni-like ni Gilgardstale yung comment mo na parang agree ka sa sinabi niya eh dahil sabi mo "Technically hindi naman sha nag originate sa Pagans", kaso iba ang sinasabi ng history based sa mga reliable reference.

Ang point kasi ni TS, okay lang i-celebrate ang christmas daw dahil hindi naman na daw ito galing sa "pagan origin", which is malaking kalokohan. Kaya nga ang tanong ko nalang sa kaniya eh kung December 25 ba talaga ipinanganak si Jesus. Naka like sa comment mo pero di masagot ng yes or no yan hehe

Anyway, ayoko po mag celebrate ng christmas. Enjoy nalang po kayo

 

[NOUGHT]

ang christmas para sa nakakaraming tao ngayon ay hindi para kay kristo ni wala nga sila pakialam kung kanino birthday ang december 25 pero one thing ang sigurado oras na ito ng bakasyon kasiyahan finally the long awaited reunion

kung hindi ako nagkalamali soriano and his minions claims na either april-march ang tunay na birth date ni kristo dahil sa maraming rason isa na jan ang hindi winter

ang purpose naman ng catholic bakit ginawang december 25 ang birth date ni kristo ay dahil sa tinapalan nila yung birth date ng sun god gusto nilang malimutan ng mga tao ang pag celebrate ng bday ng sun god

pero kung titignan mo yung logic sigurado maooffend ang mga katoliko pag dinagdagan mo pa

 

[mrparabellum]

What does the Bible say about the annual celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ? Is the Church committing sin if she observes the celebration of Christmas? When will the observance of Christmas become wrong and sinful?
What does the Bible say about the annual celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ?
1. There is no record of the example of Jesus and His disciples celebrating His birthday.
2. Jesus did not command the Church to commemorate His birthday.
3. Celebration of Christmas is not part of the teachings of the Apostles.
[Since there was no record in the New Testament of the examples of Jesus and His disciples celebrating His birthday, and no command of Jesus to the Church, and the Apostles did not teach the Church about Christmas…]
Is the Church committing sin if she observes the celebration of Christmas?
The answer is NO. Provided she observes it in a proper way.
1. The Bible does neither command nor prohibit the Church about annual celebration of Christmas.
2. The Bible commands the believers to give thanks to God in all things (1 Thess. 5:18). The Church should give God a special thanks for the birth of His Son, Jesus Christ.
3. The Bible commands the Church to do all things for the glory of God (1 Corinthians 10:31). If a person or a Church observes Christmas in order to glorify God, no sin is committed.
4. The Bible teaches about Individual conviction (Romans 14). It is my belief and conviction that celebrating Christmas is not wrong and sinful. I can declare with Paul, Romans 14: 14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
When will the observance of Christmas become wrong and sinful?
1. When it is become the doctrine of the Church.
2. When the observance of Christmas becomes compulsory to every member of the Church.
3. When the failure of its observance is considered a sin.
4. When a Church or a Christian condemn others for not observing Christmas.
5. When it is observed in a pagan way.

 

[PHC - JANG]

WHO WAS REALLY BORN ON DECEMBER 25?

When Nimrod, the founder of Babylon, died, Semiramis told the people that her husband's spirit had taken possession of the sun. She encouraged the people to pay homage to her husband by worshipping the sun. Thus began the evil practice of sun worship. Later on when Semiramis gave birth to a son by the name of Tammuz, she hid her licentious form of living by lying to the people. She told them that she was miraculously overshadowed by the spirit of her dead husband, Nimrod, and it was in this way she was able to bring forth this so-called "son of god."

Semiramis also declared that her son, Tammuz, was in actuality the return or rebirth of her husband, Nimrod. Hence through this teaching the doctrine of reincarnation was born. And since Tammuz was born on December 25, this day was highly honored and recognized by Nimrod's supporters. Note, therefore, that this date (December 25) was observed in honor of the birth of Tammuz long before Christianity existed, and that it was not until many centuries later this pagan custom was "Christianized" as being the birthday of Christ (or Christmas day).

The similarity between some of the ancient pagan beliefs and the truth is notable. Those who existed after the Flood knew the true prophecies of God very well because the Creator had made His plans known unto all the descendants of Adam and Eve. Therefore, it was not difficult for Satan to counterfeit the truth with erroneous applications. The notable writer Alexander Hislop tells us:

"If there was one who was more deeply concerned in the tragic death of Nimrod than another, it was his wife Semiramis, who, from an originally humble position, had been raised to share with him the throne of Babylon. . . In life her husband had been honored as a hero; in death she will have him worshipped as a god, yea, as the woman's promised seed, 'Zero-ashta,' who was destined to bruise the serpent's head, and who, in doing so, was to have his own heel bruised." The Two Babylons, p. 58-59.

Of course, because of the deifying of her husband, it was not long before Nimrod's followers began to also worship Semiramis. And her son Tammuz (Zero-ashta) was worshipped as well. More and more Semiramis was revered by the people and was viewed by many as a priestess and goddess. Later on she also became known as "the queen of heaven." Thus began the awful practice of exalting human deities. These false beliefs have led up to the many different forms of idolatry that are still practiced by different people today. Yes, it was through the introduction of these satanic evils and the many sacrilegious practices of ancient Babylon that witchcraft, priestcraft, spiritualism, and other forms of paganism were born. Says the well-known author Ellen G. White:

"The doctrine of man's consciousness in death, especially the belief that spirits of the dead return to minister to the living, has prepared the way for modern spiritualism." The Great Controversy, p. 551.