Killed by the Vaccine?

Not here to invalidate Pfizer or any other Vaccines but to instead spread awareness. Kung ako lang mas ok pa din sigurong mag antay muna bago mag decide na magpa bakuna.

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[sunnybear]

Correct. While our ancestors have been around for about six million years, the modern form of humans only evolved about 200,000 years ago. (universetoday.com). Pinakamahusay parin ang mga antibodies. Kinaya ng mga taong mabuhay sa planeta natin nang wala pang artipisyal na gamot. Ang mga halamang gamot ay nakakatulong sa pagparami ng antibodies kaya alternatibong natural pa ito pero dahil hindi siya napaka kumikita sa ilalim ng kapitalismo kaya naman di siya masyadong pinagtutuunan ng pansin.

Ang red flag para sa akin ay ang hindi ginawang libre ang mga bakuna kundi pinagkikitaan pa. Kung may global na pandemya, sana nagtulungan ang mga tao galing sa iba't-ibang bansa upang suriin ng maigi ang mga pormula nila at hindi kaagad i mass produce sapagkat hindi pa naman nasuri ang epekto nito sa ibat-ibang klase ng tao.

May mga gamot na napatunayan na ng panahon at paggamit na epektibo at ligtas pero iyong mga bagong labas lang, blind following na ito, sunod at tiwala sa mga gamot na hindi pa nila kilala. Ito po ay opinyon ko lang.

 

[alist1986]

Tama. Lahat po tayo ngayon sa mundo ay gumagamit ng natural method of fighting pathogens in most of our lives over and over again - creating antibodies (attacking cells, memory cells, etc.) at meron din external "forced" immunization galing sa vaccines. May oras na yung natural immune system natin ay sapat na para iligtas tayo sa sakit at may oras naman na mataas ang peligro. Yung sagot sa huli ay ginagamitan ng bakuna. Either way, we take risks, and there is no 100% guarantee.
Ang importante po ay alam natin yung dapat alamin, kung ano ang dapat gawin at kung papaano harapin ang sakit, at tanggapin yung maaring resulta ng ating mga desisyon. You reap what you sow!
Huwag tayong padalos-dalos sa takbo ng pananalita ng mga balita. Kung nag-aral kayo, stick to the normal route using the knowledge of the times... You need "firsthand data" about the virus, the information about the approved vaccines, the guidelines of vaccinations, how it works, the doses needed, it's efficacies, precautions, etc.....Hindi madali, pero dapat nating alamin yan, getting them from the right/trustable sources for a long comparison and study - but not mainstream media nowadays.
Ang bakuna ginawa po to prevent infection and protect the infected. Yung tiwala sa kanila ay nasa impormasyong makukuha natin. Tutal, sa ngayon, para sa mga high risk areas lamang at mga taong nangangailangan nyan sa kasalukuyan ang nakalaang sets ng bakuna - yung frontliners, mga infected at yung nasa panganib na mahawa nila. Yan yung guidelines even in emergency epidemics. Isipin ninyo lang, yung natitirang "active cases" ay "~30,000 individuals" as of this date - though I'm sure there's more that we don't know of. Uunahin na sila, yung malapit sa kanila at yung areas nila. Malaking bagay na iyon. Sad to say, they will be the "lab rats" sa initial phase dahil yoon ang protocol. At yung pinag-uusapan natin dito ay milyong doses at may ilan milyong parating pa sa susunod. Do the math!

Most of us do not need it at these times, and vaccinations are not mandatory. Yung gobyerno, mag-encourage lang ng publiko sa pagbabakuna - yoon lang! You have a choice to accept or deny it. Kaya marami pa tayong oras para mag-obserba ng resulta..di po ba?

 

[uelski]

dilikado lahat . . .

 

[Anorak]

WTF! Legit ba bulag parin sa ginagawa ni dookie? Nakakasuka hahaha

 

[Yourgreatestkarma]

Very well said moondhie galing naman nito. Thanks

 

[Ninong Ng Bayan]

all vacines are rushed and all of them had an nda and agreements including sinovac, modernda, asztrazeneca, comirnaty covaxin which you cant sue/ blame them if you gain any side effects or die from the vaccine. dito from where i live our vacine is the uk made aztrazeneca which is free and sponsored by the central government . one of my relative works in the government this is classified list for one barangay that has more 20k person living on it . but idont really care i want you guys to see it for yourself that most of the people here are not fond of getting injected by it.
false news are going around everywhere every city in the ph has it choice whatever the choice of vaccine they wanted to give to their people in their respected municipal so idk whats the fuzz about but most of the peple doesnt know this information

 

[iputsmid99]

Awareness is good. Apparently, these deaths were due to adverse reaction of already sick and frail elderly patients to the vaccines' side effects, which most likely won't be the case with younger and healthier patients. While nausea and fever, both common vaccine side effects, are bearable for most younger people, it proved to be fatal for the more sensitive elderly at the nursing home. Still, sad to see that they were ultimately used as guinea pigs.

 

[smaug152]

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and the plot thickens..hahahaha

 

[alist1986]

Let's get our facts straight!

• The Pfizer vaccine was inoculated to very old people who were already in bad health
• There are no autopsies yet to say if the vaccine is the cause of death!
• When these people were vaccinated (with their consent and aware of the risks), the doctors knew some will die because they were already almost dying before, it was like a test made to see the effects on very old and sick people.

I have my reservations about these vaccines, but actually I think the vaccine in itself (i'm talking about Pfizer and Moderna that use the same technology) is safe. My only problem is the sides effects on long term, especially for kids and *******t women... we will know the side effects, if any, in few years from now!

He he. Makes sense. Sa panahon ngayon, hindi mo masisisi ang karamihan ng tao sa mundo patungkol dyan sa takot sa COVID-19 at pati na rin dyan sa takot sa pinaghirapang at minadaling mga vaccines. Most generalize and expect too much, not knowing the realities of what's really going on. The vaccine development is a special/critical/"lightning speed" process done for the first time due to the necessity of the "world", as a sense of social and political urgency, not like before. They were approved as they passed the normal standards, and most importantly, the benefits outweigh the known risks. What we are hearing nowadays are part of the risks, and aside from this, people should know that the "long-term" side effects are still under extended observation, as they are "emergency" approved drugs. We take into consideration all cases regarding bad effects from the vaccines for future study and modification. All vaccines and other drugs follow this norm and repeated loop. Patience, awareness and keeping track places us on the safe side.
These vaccines work on most people, but not all. It's the simplest explanation. Each country approve their own candidates for distribution and monitoring. And they just follow the basic epidemic immunization protocols. We'll just brace ourselves to what comes next.
We're victims of our own survival instincts. Panic and paranoia always wins, because most people are not trained to face uncertainties on their own, and easily influenced by the "crowd" without knowing it. Di mo tuloy malaman kung ano yung tama at mali kung madadala ka lang sa simpatiya ng madla.
Vaccines only kill when they're not supposed to be injected to a patient...or the patient was already destined to die with or without the vaccine.

 

[ManifoldParadox]

Ang problema kasi sa Covid-19 for example nagka covid ka at naka survive pwede ka pa din ma reinfect, so magkaka covid ka uli. Kahit pa may antibodies ka sa katawan tatablan ka pa din kaya nga nagmamadali lahat ng bansa sa pag gawa ng vaccine.

 

[ManifoldParadox]

Don't worry may IATF naman tayo. i tetest pa nila yang mga available vaccines kung safe ba talaga yan bago nila i-inject kung kani-kanino.

 

[Momoka]

the vaccine is semi-rush (can't blame them) usually 3 years to be safe and see the long term side effects... walang Phase 4 (long term effect)...

 

[alist1986]

Dagdag ko lang po patungkol sa vaccine usage or any drug/s used sa COVID-19 ngayon. Ang sinusunod po ng halos lahat ng mga bansa ay yung tinatawag na "EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION". Ito yung sinusunod po ng DOH:
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Basahin ninyong maigi.

Anyone has the right to complain or praise, but EUA is the only way these vaccines were allowed in the first place. The only option is our right to allow ourselves to be immunized or not.

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[Toshinori Yagi]

Not safe.

 

[alist1986]

Ito lang ang masasabi ko sa "doubts" ng iba sa new sets of vaccines (mRNA, inactivated, You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now., protein....). Since they were rushed due to the needs of the pandemic, the efficacy and effects will always depend on how well they perform according what they're made of against the changing mutations spread around the world. Sa tagal ng trials/tests nila bago pa man i-approve ay naabutan na sila ng mga bagong strains dahil on-going pa yung pandemic. Mag-iintay na naman tayo sa next sets following the same procedure to be approved. If you don't need it yet as there's no threat in your area, it's normal to wait a little longer. Dito sa on-going pandemic, ngayon lang gagawa ng vaccines, kaya ganyan talaga ang magiging kaso nila. It's still a success dahil at least merong magagamit na gamot sa mga nangangailangan.
Ito naman yung general assessment ng vaccines ngayon bago ito i-approve: For the prevention of 2019 coronavirus disease (COVID-19) for individuals or protection against the coronavirus (infected or non-infected)....klaro yan na gagaling at magkakaroon ng "temporary and at a certain degree of immunity on acceptable levels". Yan yung "purpose" ng kahit anong klaseng vaccine sa isang sakit bukod sa "herd immunity" na matagal pang makita ang resulta depende sa dami ng mabakunahan sa mundo o mga lugar. Wala namang 100% sa safety and protection ng mga gamot. Ang hindi pa mataas ang antas ay yung "prevention of transmission" (o yung maiwasang makahawa ng iba) kaya under study pa rin yan sa ngayon. Yan yung pinag-aaralang ma-improve bukod pa doon sa pagdagdag ng panangga sa mga bagong genome strains na di nakasali sa unang test/trials ng vaccines. Paulit-ulit yang gagawin. Pero, established na that they are safe and effective to protect the "immunized". (Kung mamatay ka dahil sa vaccine, you should not have been vaccinated in the first place o talagang malala na ang sakit mo para gumaling pa.) Kaya kailangan ng diagnostic test (involving contraindications, etc.) bago ka bakunahan para maiwasan ang ganitong mga kaso.
Since over-proportion (in numbers) yung infection sa mundo at tatagal ng taon yan, importante sa "malalang areas" muna na ma-immunize ang mga tao doon para maibsan yung pagkalat. Sila yung mauuna out of emergency, and the rest who don't deserve to be vaccinated can wait or make their choice to make up their mind. Over time, yung immunity rin ay dahan-dahang nawawala ang bisa sa katawan kaya mapipilitan tayong mag-vaccinate muli. Yang yung cycle ng pagbabakuan, sa ayaw at gusto natin dahil malamang ay di na tuluyang mawawala sa ating paligid ang virus na yan. It will become endemic for sure. Though hindi pa ganap na matatanggap natin sa ngayon, simula na ito para harapin natin na isa na itong "vaccine-preventable disease" na kasama sa ating listahan na nagagamot na sakit tulad ng trangkaso, tigdas, atbp.
Ang problema na lang ay yung tiwala ng tao sa gamot!

 

[Freljord30]

Hello po sir Sana matandaan nyo Pako long time po na di ko kayo na chat..chachat ko Sana kayo also do Naman pwede

 

[alist1986]

He he. Wala pa akong alzheimer's. Yamo't gawan kita ulit ng chatroom he he.
PS. Sinubukan kong mag-SC, di yata allowed yung account mong mag-PM. Sabihin mo lang kung kailan pwede, tapos sarado mo na kapag nakapasok. Di naman ako nagmamadali.