Atheist here. I'm curious if it's a sin not believing in God?

[Katipunero-]

I'm specifically pointing to your parameter which is "RIGHT". Does it need scientific method? If so, what are those scientific methods? Also, answer the question:​

Is it subjective or objective?

What do you mean by scientific evidence?
Nung pinatay ba si Rizal need pa ng scientific evidence para malaman natin na patay na talaga sya? ​

 

[plhbg1]

I'm specifically pointing to your parameter which is "RIGHT".​

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yan ay objective right only, those right na meron scientific evidence, meaning it can be explained by science

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Nung pinatay ba si Rizal need pa ng scientific evidence para malaman natin na patay na talaga sya? ​

bakit naniwala ka meron talagang rizal?

position ko about rizal is i am ready to believe once evidence presented

 

[Katipunero-]

yan ay objective right only, those right na meron scientific evidence, meaning it can be explained by science

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bakit naniwala ka meron talagang rizal?

position ko about rizal is i am ready to believe once evidence presented

So your claim is OBJECTIVE, meaning applicable sa lahat. Kung may nag-set ng Objective rights, Follow up clarification:
Sino nag-set non right from the start? Don't say bigla na lang din lumitaw gaya ng Earth kasi tapos na ang usapan natin.

position ko about rizal is i am ready to believe once evidence presented

pfffftttt. Gyahahhahahahahaha! So yung mga evidence na tinuturo sa paaralan hindi tutoo or sapat, specifically about sa History ng Philippines? Bad trip bat pa pala ako nag Elementary.

 

[plhbg1]

So your claim is OBJECTIVE, meaning applicable sa lahat. Kung may nag-set ng Objective rights, Follow up clarification:
Sino nag-set non right from the start? Don't say bigla na lang din lumitaw gaya ng Earth kasi tapos na ang usapan natin.

How earth started has no clear evidence in science so I let it be.
Anything where science is silent I let it be.
Ang paki ko lang is yung things na meron explanation si science at dito pwede ko na sabihin they're objective since there is evidence.
Kaya nga position ko lagi is "ready to believe once evidence presented.

pfffftttt. Gyahahhahahahahaha! So yung mga evidence na tinuturo sa paaralan hindi tutoo, specifically about sa History ng Philippines? Bad trip bat pa pala ako nag Elementary.

bakit science ba lahat ng subjects ng paaralan?
pagkaalam ko meron lang science subjects.

 

[Katipunero-]

How earth started has no clear evidence in science so I let it be.
Anything where science is silent I let it be.

Ohhh bat ganun sir. Kinontra mo na yung sinabi mo e. Tapos ang usapan.

Even scientists kasi naniniwala na may God, no matter if they don't indicate kung sino man ang God nila, pero sila mismo naniniwala. When Albert Einstein in 1916 discovered General Relativity, in-admit nya na may immovable-mover or intelligent creator talaga.

 

[plhbg1]

Kinontra mo na yung sinabi mo e.

What?

Even scientists kasi naniniwala na may God...

di rin ako maniniwala kahit scientist ka pa, evidence need ko

When Albert Einstein in 1916 discovered General Relativity, in-admit nya na may immovable-mover or intelligent creator talaga. ☺

general relativity is just a theory like big bang theory and all others
sabi ko nga kahit si einstein ka pa di pa rin ako maniniwala pag wala ka pa evidence na napapakita

meron related law, it's Newton's Law of Gravitation but experiments and observations show that Einstein's description of gravitation accounts for several effects that are unexplained by Newton's law.
Kaya nga theory pa rin hanggang ngayon, di pa nagiging law.

 

[Katipunero-]

di rin ako maniniwala kahit scientist ka pa, evidence need ko

Again, this is a very bad answer in arguments. This is more on self-preference than addressing the issue.

Kasi kahit pagsasampalin kita ng isang libong evidence, obviously hindi mo tatanggapin.
Wala sa utak mo ang problema, nasa PUSO mo.

Kung usapang bla bla bla lang, edi sasabihin ko na lang din:
DI DIN AKO MANINIWALA NA HINDI KA NANINIWALA KAHIT HINDI KA SCIENTIST, KAHIT NUMBER ONE KA PA DITO SA PHCORNER.

If there's no scientific evidence KUNO sa Objective rights na tanong ko, bat ka naniniwala sa Rights?
If there's no solid scientific evidence kung saan nagmula ang Earth, bat ka naniniwala sa Earth (as a whole)?

 

[plhbg1]

KAHIT NUMBER ONE KA PA DITO SA PHCORNER.[/B]

sino ba #1 eh elite ka dito hihi

If there's no scientific evidence KUNO sa Objective rights na tanong ko, bat ka naniniwala sa Rights?

any thing where science is silent we can't know which is right or wrong on that thing
nalilito ka kasi, need mo intindihin na meron things na hindi ma-explain ng science

If there's no solid scientific evidence kung saan nagmula ang Earth, bat ka naniniwala sa Earth (as a whole)?

iba kasi yung "existence of Earth" sa "how Earth started" eh
need mo separate experiments dun sa dalawa na iyan

 

[jayendecastro]

Ohhh bat ganun sir. Kinontra mo na yung sinabi mo e. Tapos ang usapan.

Even scientists kasi naniniwala na may God, no matter if they don't indicate kung sino man ang God nila, pero sila mismo naniniwala. When Albert Einstein in 1916 discovered General Relativity, in-admit nya na may immovable-mover or intelligent creator talaga.

Did einstein really admitted that?? Pwede pa share ng reference mo for that info??

 

[jayendecastro]

yan ay objective right only, those right na meron scientific evidence, meaning it can be explained by science

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bakit naniwala ka meron talagang rizal?

position ko about rizal is i am ready to believe once evidence presented

Are u serious?? Wat evidence about rizal are u exactly looking for?? Are u actually saying na walang jose rizal talaga??

 

[B A L U T]

Did einstein really admitted that?? Pwede pa share ng reference mo for that info??

from Einstein own word:

“Strange is our situation here on earth. Each of us comes for a short time, not knowing why, yet sometimes seeming to divine a purpose.

From the standpoint of daily life, however, there is one thing we do know: that man is here for the sake of other men —above all those upon whose smile and well-being our own happiness depends, and also for the countless unknown souls with whose fate we are connected by a bond of sympathy ……

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand wrapt in awe, is as good as dead …To know that which is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive forms —-this knowledge, this feeling, is at the center of true religiousness. In this sense only …I belong to the ranks of devoutly religious men

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own—-a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism. It is enough for me to contemplate the mystery of conscious life perpetuating itself through all eternity, to reflect upon the marvelous structure of the universe which we can dimly perceive, and to try humbly to comprehend even an infinitesimal part of the intelligence manifested in nature.”

During a talk at Union Theological Seminary on the relationship between religion and science, Einstein declared: “the situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”

Einstein, being the founder of modern physics and Nobel laureate recognized the impossibility of a non-created university, once quoted saying “Everyone who is seriously committed to the cultivation of science becomes convinced that in all the laws of the universe is manifest a spirit vastly superior to man, and to which we with our powers must feel humble.”

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it's up to you na lods how you interpret those words wag na kayo mag talo talo don't spread hate lahat tayo may kanya kanyang paniniwala.

 

[Slippin Jimmy]

i don't like the idea but if merong god for sure may naka apply din na rules sa kanya. i don't believe what the bible says but i do believe that god exist (atleast logically) for example: presidents etc. at kung meron mang mas powerful na being, yung tipong hindi kaya e explain ng science that only means na kulang tayo sa perspective at dahil jan kaya tayo nag hahypothesize at nag-aaral o nag-eexperiment ng paulit-ulit.

 

[plhbg1]

Are u serious?? Wat evidence about rizal are u exactly looking for?? Are u actually saying na walang jose rizal talaga??

sabi ko yung position ko about Rizal is "ready to believe"
di ko dini-deny existence ni Rizal but I consider it as blank or silent
bombarded ako sa school ng mga works ni Rizal and seeing the works of someone is not enough to prove existence of that someone
history is just a written literature, at yun lang ang nakaabot sa aking kaalaman

 

[Asherah Goddess]

Si Rodrigo Duterte , Jose Rizal at Albert Einstein ay mga Deist po ang mga iyan. Meron silang God pero wala silang relihiyon or hindi naniniwala sa relihiyon. Si Jose Rizal ay miembro ng Freemason na ang perspective ng mga religious leader sa Freemason na miembro si Jose Rizal na keyso under sila ni Satanas. For me , mga intellihente kase ang karamihan sa Freemason kaya siguro ang na pe perceived ng nasa simbahan na keyso under sila ni Satanas. Alam niyo naman diba? Meron some part ng bible verse na sinasabi na hindi kaaya-aya ang pagiging matalino ng tao- faith lang raw ang kailangan , something ganun.

Si Jose Rizal naman ay intellihenteng tao iyan na against siya sa Catholic religion dahil nakikita nito ang unjustices na ginagawa ng mga kastilang prayle. Mapang abuso ba so we can not blame Jose Rizal dahil matalas ang observation niya kung bakit disagree siya sa Catholic religion which is ang na pe perceived naman ng taga simbahan ay under ni Satanas ang mga taga Freemason na kung saan miembro si Jose Rizal.

So mag ingat na tayo at huwag tayo masyado maging matalino ika nga dahil baka ma pagkamalan tayo ng taga simbahan na under ni Satanas porke nakiki criticize natin ang maling at hindi mabuting gawain na ginagawa ng ibang religious leader haha

Hindi sila Theist.

Alam niyo ba na karamihan sa mga scientist , ang bagsak lang naman nila ay either Atheist or Deist dahil non religion sect ang mga iyan sapagkat kapag Theist , well , debatable pa rin kung pwede ba magkasundo ang science sa biblia raw but according to some Theist lalo ang ibang knowledgeable sa bible , they do not agree na ihalo ang science sa biblia dahil lumalabas raw na keyso nililimitahan ang powers ni God- ganoon ang beliefs nila kaya never ever nag aagree ang ibang Theist na keyso ihalo ang science sa bible.

So high percentage , ang bagsak ng mga scientist ay either Atheist or Deist katulad ni Albert Einstein.

 

[Agiw-re pillowka]

Definitely, it's a YES. The mere fact that you are breathing right now is proof that God really exists and you should believe that He exists and it's a sin as said in Psalm 53:1

"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good."

Therefore if not believing that God really exist is considered foolishness, and foolishness is considered a sin as said in Proverbs 24:9

"The thought of foolishness is sin: and the scorner is an abomination to men."

Not believing in God will be considered a coward and cowardice is an abomination to God as said in Revelation 21:8

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

Reference: KJV

 

[plhbg1]

The mere fact that you are breathing right now is proof that God really exists

eto yung example of proving something in absence of scientific method. how on earth that breathing is related to the existence of a god?
how would science explain that breathing is a magical thing?
breathing is simply a process of respiration, di mo na kailangan ng god oi haha
just because it is written somewhere does not mean it is true.

 

[jayendecastro]

from Einstein own word:

“Strange is our situation here on earth. Each of us comes for a short time, not knowing why, yet sometimes seeming to divine a purpose.

From the standpoint of daily life, however, there is one thing we do know: that man is here for the sake of other men —above all those upon whose smile and well-being our own happiness depends, and also for the countless unknown souls with whose fate we are connected by a bond of sympathy ……

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand wrapt in awe, is as good as dead …To know that which is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive forms —-this knowledge, this feeling, is at the center of true religiousness. In this sense only …I belong to the ranks of devoutly religious men

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own—-a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism. It is enough for me to contemplate the mystery of conscious life perpetuating itself through all eternity, to reflect upon the marvelous structure of the universe which we can dimly perceive, and to try humbly to comprehend even an infinitesimal part of the intelligence manifested in nature.”

During a talk at Union Theological Seminary on the relationship between religion and science, Einstein declared: “the situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”

Einstein, being the founder of modern physics and Nobel laureate recognized the impossibility of a non-created university, once quoted saying “Everyone who is seriously committed to the cultivation of science becomes convinced that in all the laws of the universe is manifest a spirit vastly superior to man, and to which we with our powers must feel humble.”

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it's up to you na lods how you interpret those words wag na kayo mag talo talo don't spread hate lahat tayo may kanya kanyang paniniwala.

Im looking for the quote that einstein admitted the existence of an immovable mover or intelligent creator… i think yang namention mo is part nung article nea about “What I Believe In” sa isang magazine.. and the latter part nman was a reply to a young student’s question on whether scientists pray and what do they pray for…

Btw..have u read einstein’s “god letter”??

 

[B A L U T]

Im looking for the quote that einstein admitted the existence of an immovable mover or intelligent creator… i think yang namention mo is part nung article nea about “What I Believe In” sa isang magazine.. and the latter part nman was a reply to a young student’s question on whether scientists pray and what do they pray for…

Btw..have u read einstein’s “god letter”??

I haven't , but because namention mo yan I look it up sa internet and it's a contrary sa sinabi nya dyan ,also Einstein don't want himself be labeled as Atheist coz he said that “fanatical atheists whose intolerance is of the same kind as the intolerance of the religious fanatics”. ano ba meron bat pinopoint out mo pa yan what are you trying to prove ba Ma'am/Sir can you please enlighten me nagsshare lang naman ako ng alam ko at opinyon ko hahaha anyways don't spread hate nalang tayo kanya kanya naman paniniwala yan "it doesn’t matter what our religious or our philosophical commitments are. The only thing that matters is how we treat one another. "

 

[jayendecastro]

sabi ko yung position ko about Rizal is "ready to believe"
di ko dini-deny existence ni Rizal but I consider it as blank or silent
bombarded ako sa school ng mga works ni Rizal and seeing the works of someone is not enough to prove existence of that someone
history is just a written literature, at yun lang ang nakaabot sa aking kaalaman

Thats why im asking evidence about rizal do u need??

School taught us nman more than just ung works ni rizal.. we were taught about his life as well.. ung remains din nea is available.. so which part of his existence is questionable for you??

And u mentioned na ang history is “just” literature… history is literature…but its not just any literature…

Like wat u said about theory and law… na ang “its just a theory and not a law”… sa scientific method as far as i know eh theories dont graduate to a law… may mga similarities ang scientific theories at scientific laws like the evidences they require, and they are accepted sa scientific community…but the important part is ung difference nila.. a scientific law basically describes “what” while scientific theories explains the “how and why”…

Both are equally important sa science.

 

[plhbg1]

we were taught about his life as well

pinabasa lang tayo ng written literature about sa life niya, still not enough

ung remains din nea is available

how can I be sure sa kanya iyon?

history is literature

literature is not enough

theories dont graduate to a law

far as i know din, theories and laws belong to the same method with one a precursor of the other
edit: mali ata yung precursor, i should say one is more solid than the other or is higher than the other

scientific law basically describes “what” while scientific theories explains the “how and why”

they both try to explain things and they differ by proof and acceptance