Ang isang Atheist ay magiging theist kapag ini-apply ang science at common sense

[plhbg1]

Are you asking about viruses that happen to have DNA?

of course, anu pa ba, ito yung tricky part, sagutin mo lang

ayun nag research pa hehe balik ka na dito boss hehe tama na iyan

 

[laser-printed]

of course, anu pa ba, ito yung tricky part, sagutin mo lang

ayun nag research pa hehe balik ka na dito bos hehe tama na iyan

Ayaw ko lang pong ma misinterpret yung tanong nyo. Of course po, having DNA doesn't make viruses alive. It's like those preserved fossil remains, meron po silang DNA pero obviously matagal na po silang patay. Gets nyo na po ba?

 

[plhbg1]

Ayaw ko lang pong ma misinterpret yung tanong nyo. Of course po, having DNA doesn't make viruses alive. It's like those preserved fossil remains, meron po silang DNA pero obviously matagal na po silang patay. Gets nyo na po ba?

wow so ang non-living thing can die pala boss?

tagal mag reply antok na ako, assignment mo iyan usap tayo bukas hehe

 

[laser-printed]

wow so ang non-living thing can die pala boss?

tagal mag reply antok na ako, assignment mo iyan usap tayo bukas hehe

Sorry po, inasikaso ko lang po yung request ng kaibigan ko. I have life outside this forum po.

Anyways, wala po akong sinabing pwedeng mamatay ang non-living things. Kung akala po ninyo na namamatay ang mga virus, hindi po pwedeng mamatay ang walang buhay.

Bigyan ko po kayo ng halimbawa...Ang electric motor po ay walang buhay. Pero pwede po itong maging functional kapag pinadaanan ng electric current. Kapag inalis po ninyo ang supply ng kuryente, ang motor po ay titigil. Hindi po sya namamatay (dahil wala syang buhay)...tumigil lang po ang daloy ng kuryente na nagpapagalaw sa kanya.

Ganyan din po ang mga virus. Wala po silang buhay. Tulad po nang motor na nagmimistulang parang buhay kapag pinadaanan ng electric current, ganun din po ang virus...Parang may buhay ang virus habang nasa katawan ng host na nagbibigay sa kanya ng enerhiya. Pero kapag napahiwalay na sya, titigil po ang aktibidad nya. Gets nyo na po ba?

 

[Jayhardp]

Sorry po, inasikaso ko lang po yung request ng kaibigan ko. I have life outside this forum po.

Anyways, wala po akong sinabing pwedeng mamatay ang non-living things. Kung akala po ninyo na namamatay ang mga virus, hindi po pwedeng mamatay ang walang buhay.

Bigyan ko po kayo ng halimbawa...Ang electric motor po ay walang buhay. Pero pwede po itong maging functional kapag pinadaanan ng electric current. Kapag inalis po ninyo ang supply ng kuryente, ang motor po ay titigil. Hindi po sya namamatay (dahil wala syang buhay)...tumigil lang po ang daloy ng kuryente na nagpapagalaw sa kanya.

Ganyan din po ang mga virus. Wala po silang buhay. Tulad po nang motor na nagmimistulang parang buhay kapag pinadaanan ng electric current, ganun din po ang virus...Parang may buhay ang virus habang nasa katawan ng host na nagbibigay sa kanya ng enerhiya. Pero kapag napahiwalay na sya, titigil po ang aktibidad nya. Gets nyo na po ba?

Lods ok na sana talakayan nio about sa subject matter na napili mo, pansin ko lang sa isang kadebatehan mo, more on Strawman Argument ang banat, walang concrete answer para makaProve dn ng point, honestly, pag formal debate, talo na sia

 

[laser-printed]

Pansin ko rin po yun. But my aim here is not to win a debate. Ibig ko lang pong ma-educate (and hopefully, lead them to God) ang mga kapwa natin pinoy na nabi-brainwash sa kolehiyo.

 

[Slime-]

Nag try ako mag search related sa post mo TS, and ang results na nakuha ko is DNA supports the evolution, dahil may common ancestry sa DNA, and mas related na species mas mataas ang similarity sa dna, like humans and chimpanzees. ( You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.. )

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"The study of DNA has revealed that all living organisms share a common genetic code, which suggests that all life on Earth has evolved from a common ancestor. Additionally, the study of genetic mutations has demonstrated how genetic variation can accumulate over time, leading to the development of new species."

 

[Asherah Goddess]

......and so ang ibig sabihin na based on thread topic, Adam and Eve is now consider a myth and hindi totoo dahil sabi na associated ang intelligent design sa DNA na meron kilalaman sa evolution. I have a feeling na ma-ooffend ang mga taga believer ng creationism na iyan. E hindi naman nag-eexist ang evolution in bible e. Galing science ang evolutionism. Kahit nga diyan e, meron nag didisagree na huwag ihalo ang science sa bible dahil mawawala raw ang concept about God being most powerful.​

 

[laser-printed]

Nag try ako mag search related sa post mo TS, and ang results na nakuha ko is DNA supports the evolution, dahil may common ancestry sa DNA, and mas related na species mas mataas ang similarity sa dna, like humans and chimpanzees. ( You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.. )

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"The study of DNA has revealed that all living organisms share a common genetic code, which suggests that all life on Earth has evolved from a common ancestor. Additionally, the study of genetic mutations has demonstrated how genetic variation can accumulate over time, leading to the development of new species."

Napansin nyo po ba na walang maglakas ng loob na ipaliwanag ang probabilities or odds involved to randomly mutate the DNA to get from one form to another?

It's because random mutations is known to result into destructive results.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Well the truth is nademonstrate na kung paano randomly mabubuo ang DNA without intelligent creator.

And from there is just a chain reaction of random mutation where failures just cease to exist. Life is not even magical as you think, but a self perpetuating, slow-burn chemical reaction.

Kung hindi mo napapansin, yung ganitong mga non-biblical claim ang maglalayo saiyo para munawaan ang purpose kung bakit sinulat ang Bible at kung ano ang relevance nito sa atin. You may have reached a point kung saan ang sinasamba at dini-dios mo ay ang simbahan at apologetics...

In the end kung ano man proposal mo so original post, it all does not matter in the end.. kasi nakikipagdiskusyon ka lang na literal na totoo ang mitolohiya na wala nmn talgang magiging epekto sa buhay ng tao.

So what if Adam and Eve are not literally real? So what if there is no literal God? So what if Jesus did not resurrect?..
MGA THEIST LANG MAG IISIP NA CATASTROPHIC YAN, dahil they imagine that people will turn evil if this was the case, which is all in their mind...
Lahat yan a basis lang kung bakit ka naakit sa relihiyon, pero it will not necessarily bring you to how a "christian" should live this life...
minsan nga, it will just lead you to being a fake christian dahil ginagawa mo lang yan lahat out of fear, desperation, acceptance... and you think pag nadisprove ang paniniwala mo iniisip mo na gagawin mo lahat ng considered evil, so takot ka lang sa sarili mong multo.

Opo. Alam nyo po ba na hindi living organisms ang mga virus?

That is just a matter of definition. Concensus kasi para idefine na "living being" is reproduction capability, propensity to survive until reproduction, at lastly collects its own source of energy to survive.

Yan last Definition hindi pumasok ang virus.

Pero in reality there is NO real line separating living and non-living. Technically nga kung sa definition na nabanggit, ibig sabihin living organism ang mga stars. Think about it. So it is not really a good basis philosophically, scientific convention lang yan. "Life" is not even a real thing.

 

[laser-printed]

Well the truth is nademonstrate na kung paano randomly mabubuo ang DNA without intelligent creator.

Randomly forming is one thing, but randomly forming in the exact length and sequence to get a form that can survive and reproduce require miracles.

......and so ang ibig sabihin na based on thread topic, Adam and Eve is now consider a myth and hindi totoo dahil sabi na associated ang intelligent design sa DNA na meron kilalaman sa evolution. I have a feeling na ma-ooffend ang mga taga believer ng creationism na iyan. E hindi naman nag-eexist ang evolution in bible e. Galing science ang evolutionism. Kahit nga diyan e, meron nag didisagree na huwag ihalo ang science sa bible dahil mawawala raw ang concept about God being most powerful.​

When God created all living things (including Adam and Eve), He included giving them DNA.

My proposition does not nullify the God of the Bible. It only nullify the mathematically improbable theory of how life started.

what if there is no literal God?

That should no longer be a question if you know random DNA assembly can never produce a life form that can survive and reproduce. The power of an intelligent designer is required to get to that precision.

Pero in reality there is NO real line separating living and non-living.

Mali po. Ang mga buhay ay may kakayahan na magdesisyon at baguhin ang epekto ng random na mga bagay.

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Randomly forming is one thing, but randomly forming in the exact length and sequence to get a form that can survive and reproduce require miracles.

If a had a billion printer printing random one billion letters per minute, and let it run for a billion years, i will not consider it a miracle if it "accidentally" made a sequence of the whole book El Filibusterismo.

DNA only requires six molecules to juggle around for hundreds of billions of years, and that is no miracle at all. The omount of the non-living matter in the universe is a proof in itself of all the "failed attempt" to produce life (there is no goal like that to begin with). There is nothing magical about life if you put that to consideration. It os not even precise. If it was precise, dapat wala tayong pusod, dapat walang nipples ang lalake, dapat wala tayong daliri sa paa, and bakit kailangan ng dalawang tao para mag reproduce?.. So no, it is not precise either.

It is just dogmatic to grapple with these thought while already believing that life is special in the first place... kasi pilit mo lang ipprove yung gusto mo paniwalaan.. pero, like most theist I don't really expect much intellectual honesty from you.

 

[xXmartoXx]

Debunk na yung perspectives about sa common ancestry matagal na, dahil hindi mapatunayan na magkapareho ang common ancestry na yan. Tulad na lang ng 23 pairs of chromosomes in human while 24 in chimp.

I think I heard it before in the bible?

Yung "Wag mong gawin sa iba ang ayaw mong gawin ng iba sayo", tama ba..?

Napansin nyo po ba na walang maglakas ng loob na ipaliwanag ang probabilities or odds involved to randomly mutate the DNA to get from one form to another?

It's because random mutations is known to result into destructive results.

Debunk na yung perspectives about sa common ancestry matagal na, dahil hindi mapatunayan na magkapareho ang common ancestry na yan. Tulad na lang ng 23 pairs of chromosomes in human while 24 in chimp.

 

[Slime-]

Debunk na yung perspectives about sa common ancestry matagal na, dahil hindi mapatunayan na magkapareho ang common ancestry na yan. Tulad na lang ng 23 pairs of chromosomes in human while 24 in chimp.

May source ka neto paps? Gusto ko lang din magbasa, wla kasi ako mahanap na article

 

[xXmartoXx]

May source ka neto paps? Gusto ko lang din magbasa, wla kasi ako mahanap na article

Marami tulad nito: research ka lang

Scientists have studied mitochondrial DNA in people groups around the world and discovered the data are consistent with a single origin of all humans less than 10,000 years ago.

Evidence for Mitochondrial Eve and Recent Origin of Y-Chromosome Adam

 

[Slime-]

So what if Adam and Eve are not literally real? So what if there is no literal God? So what if Jesus did not resurrect?..
MGA THEIST LANG MAG IISIP NA CATASTROPHIC YAN, dahil they imagine that people will turn evil if this was the case, which is all in their mind...
Lahat yan a basis lang kung bakit ka naakit sa relihiyon, pero it will not necessarily bring you to how a "christian" should live this life...
minsan nga, it will just lead you to being a fake christian dahil ginagawa mo lang yan lahat out of fear, desperation, acceptance... and you think pag nadisprove ang paniniwala mo iniisip mo na gagawin mo lahat ng considered evil, so takot ka lang sa sarili mong multo.

Agree ako dito paps.

Marami tulad nito: research ka lang

Scientists have studied mitochondrial DNA in people groups around the world and discovered the data are consistent with a single origin of all humans less than 10,000 years ago.

Evidence for Mitochondrial Eve and Recent Origin of Y-Chromosome Adam

If makakapag send ka ng link paps, nag search na kasi ako kanina, and wala nalabas na mga links related don sa topic na debunked or not supported yung common ancestry, pero try ko din yang keywords na yan

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Agree ako dito paps.


If makakapag send ka ng link paps, nag search na kasi ako kanina, and wala nalabas na mga links related don sa topic na debunked or not supported yung common ancestry, pero try ko din yang keywords na yan

Debunk na sakanila ung kuda ng mga apologetics so dont be surprised pag na disappoint ka..

 

[Slime-]

Marami tulad nito: research ka lang

Scientists have studied mitochondrial DNA in people groups around the world and discovered the data are consistent with a single origin of all humans less than 10,000 years ago.

Evidence for Mitochondrial Eve and Recent Origin of Y-Chromosome Adam

Yung keywords na sinabi mo paps sa pagkaka intindi ko pwedeng ma trace na galing yung dna ng tao sa iisang lalaki at babae, so nag support pa sya na merung "common ancestry"

base sa link na ito:

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"The evidence from mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosome DNA analyses supports the idea that all humans share a common ancestry. The scientific consensus is that modern humans evolved in Africa and then migrated and diversified across the globe over time. While there is still debate among scientists about some of the details of this process, such as when and how many migrations occurred, the overall picture that emerges from the genetic evidence is one of common ancestry for all humans."

 

[laser-printed]

If a had a billion printer printing random one billion letters per minute, and let it run for a billion years, i will not consider it a miracle if it "accidentally" made a sequence of the whole book El Filibusterismo.

You actually believe that's a possibility? Hahaha!

 

[Slime-]

You actually believe that's a possibility? Hahaha!

I think it's possible, häçkers can bypass your password for years of brute force random words/numbers