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The Bible teaches that Jesus was not created but was rather the Creator. “In [Jesus Christ] all things were created: . . . all things have been created through him and for him” (Colossians 1:16). The doctrine of the eternality of Christ is one of the distinguishing marks of biblical Christianity.

While Jesus is held in high esteem by Muslims, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and others of various theological beliefs, those groups teach that Jesus was a created being. It is orthodox Christianity’s affirmation of the full deity of Christ and His uncreated nature that makes Christianity unique from all other religions and philosophies. Various world religions may agree on some important issues such as the existence of a transcendent, objective morality and the value of a strong family life, but the answer to the question “who is Jesus Christ?” quickly separates those who adhere to biblical Christianity from those who do not.

The early creeds of the church unequivocally teach that Jesus was not created but that He is an eternally divine Person, the Son of God. Muslims teach that Jesus was a ******-born human prophet but came into existence just like everyone else. Mormons, who adhere to a modern-day form of Arianism, believe that Jesus had a beginning, just as God the Father had a beginning. Jehovah’s Witnesses say that Jesus was the first creation of Jehovah and was originally called Michael the archangel. So, on which side of the creator/creature divide does Jesus actually fall? Is Jesus a creature, and thus part of the created order, or is He, along with the Father and the Holy Spirit, the Creator of all created things? Is Jesus heteroousios (“of a different substance”) than the Father, as the 4th-century heretic Arius held; or are Christ and the Father homoousios (“of the same substance”), as Athanasius maintained and the Council of Nicea decreed?

When attempting to answer the question of “was Jesus created?” there is no better person to look to than Jesus Himself. During His public ministry, Jesus continually assumed for Himself divine prerogatives. He continually exercised rights that would never be appropriate for a created being. He said that He was “Lord of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:28), and, since the Sabbath was instituted by God, Jesus’ claim to be “Lord” of the Sabbath was an assertion of deity. Jesus spoke of His unique, intimate knowledge of the Father (Matthew 11:27) and of the glory He shared with the Father “before the world began” (John 17:5). Jesus accepted the worship of others (Matthew 14:32–33) and described a future time when He will sit in judgment over all nations (Matthew 25:31–44). Luke tells us that Jesus went so far as to personally forgive a woman’s sins—something only God can do—and attributed her forgiveness to her faith in Him (Luke 7:48–50)!

Jesus’ disciples were equally clear in their belief in Jesus’ deity and uncreated nature. John tells us that “in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word [Jesus] was God” (John 1:1). After having encountered the risen Jesus, the apostle Thomas exclaimed to Him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28). The apostle Paul referred to Christ as “God over all” (Romans 9:5) and stated that “in [Christ] the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily” (Colossians 2:9). In the early days of the church, Jesus was both the object of prayer (Acts 7:59) and the One in whose name the forgiveness of sins was proclaimed (Acts 2:38; 10:43). After having interrogated Christians under the threat of death, the Roman administrator Pliny the Younger wrote in his letter to the Emperor Trajan (c. AD 110) that “[the Christians] were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light when they sang in alternative verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god” (Letters 10.96).

Jesus, God the Son, was not created. He has always existed; He has no beginning or end. The Son took on human flesh at a particular point in human history (John 1:14). Christians refer to this event as the Incarnation (“the act of being made flesh”). This act was integral to our salvation (Galatians 4:4–5; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 9:22). From the Incarnation onward, the eternal, uncreated Son is both truly God and truly man. But there was never a time when the Son did not exist. He was never created. Jesus always was and will forever remain “our great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13).
 
If there is a follow up question about God’s origin. The answer is “we must not compare God into human. God living in place without time and space. So certainly there is no generation to generation

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Maraming matatalino mas mataas pa sa IQ natin. Pero they still believe in God. 👌
 
Maraming matatalino mas mataas pa sa IQ natin. Pero they still believe in God. 👌
it is because you don't need high IQ to just believe, ako pwede ko naman sabihin na naniniwala ako, it's just a mere declaration, nothing special except na lang if you become slave ng iyong paniniwala

a very good example is einstein, he just declared his belief but he did not become a slave of religion performing recruitment all over the world, i would say he still maintains his high IQ and only give to religion whatever is not interfering with his state of being a person of high IQ

there is no such thing as belief in science, we don't believe on those theories and laws, they are just statements of what is observed which don't require someone believing
 
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it is because you don't need high IQ to just believe, ako pwede ko naman sabihin na naniniwala ako, it's just a mere declaration, nothing special except na lang if you become slave ng iyong paniniwala

a very good example is einstein, he just declared his belief but he did not become a slave of religion performing recruitment all over the world, i would say he still maintains his high IQ and only give to religion whatever is not interfering with his state of being a person of high IQ

there is no such thing as belief in science, we don't believe on those theories and laws, they are just statements of what is observed which don't require someone believing
A high IQ and knowing how to do proper research and apply it to logical reasoning have a big difference on the "just believing people".

What has telling other people about a specific religion has to do with being a slave to it? That's not even the point. Einstein is a scientist, not a priest. What do you expect him to do? At least He believes in some higher being beyond our universe.

Meron po such thing as belief in science. Check mo: You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.
 
it is because you don't need high IQ to just believe, ako pwede ko naman sabihin na naniniwala ako, it's just a mere declaration, nothing special except na lang if you become slave ng iyong paniniwala

a very good example is einstein, he just declared his belief but he did not become a slave of religion performing recruitment all over the world, i would say he still maintains his high IQ and only give to religion whatever is not interfering with his state of being a person of high IQ

there is no such thing as belief in science, we don't believe on those theories and laws, they are just statements of what is observed which don't require someone believing
Yea I said that because of this comment.
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(I don't belive that there is no existence of that belief in science. There are a lot of scientists who still believed in God existence. Special mention the priest who authored bigbang theory.) This theory even supported by "The Quinque viæ" of St. Thomas Aquinas. Specifically the Prime Mover.
 

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A high IQ and knowing how to do proper research and apply it to logical reasoning have a big difference on the "just believing people".

What has telling other people about a specific religion has to do with being a slave to it? That's not even the point. Einstein is a scientist, not a priest. What do you expect him to do? At least He believes in some higher being beyond our universe.

Meron po such thing as belief in science. Check mo: You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.
i would say giving something to religion which interferes with your status quo as slavery

in fact you supported me on the "einstein continues to be a scientist" part hehe

and your link is a commentary, ideas din nila yun, they can disagree just like i do to your idea

Yea I said that because of this comment.
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(I don't belive that there is no existence of that belief in science. There are a lot of scientists who still believed in God existence. Special mention the priest who authored bigbang theory.) This theory even supported by "The Quinque viæ" of St. Thomas Aquinas. Specifically the Prime Mover.
there is no real support, it's just making something appear to fit to existing belief to gain more support for that existing belief
 
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Okay na ang abstract God kaysa personal God. Personal God ay medio... medio.... medio clingy ang mga tao ng ganoon resulta. Para sa akin lang iyon a? Clingy na tipong extremely dependent ang mga tao na halimbawa , kung ano ang nakalagay sa biblia ay todong maximum level nila sinusunod na hindi na nakakapag-isip kung nakakatulong ba sa development ng isang human being o hindi , kung justified ba o hindi- basta marami.

Kapag sinabing personal God ay parang meron connection sa bawat isa. Tipong meron relasyon ang bawat isa kung saan ang God ay consider an authority pagkatapos ang mga human being na consider naman na submissive to the authority (hindi nakakapagtaka kung bakit ganoon din magbehave ang mga tao na naniniwala) pagkatapos tipong meron taga supervise or tipong superintendency ang dating as in. Taga supervise or whatever.

Personal God nga. Kaya hindi nakakapagtaka , pati personal God acts like a human na rin. Tipong paparusahan ang tao kapag hindi sumunod pagkatapos mamahalin lang ang ginawa niya kapag minahal siya ng pabalik , pagkatapos alam din niya how to forgive at madami pa po. Acts like human na nga dahil personal God ng tao. Like a father who has children. Paternal father na galing daw sa sinapupunan niya dahil nanggaling tayo sa kanya.

Ganun.

Abstract God means hindi siya nakikita ng mata. Nararamdaman lang na there is God. Siyempre , if we feel it lalo na it is within us dahil we can enhance our spirit to the high level of conciousness , abstract siya na we just feel it katulad lang na meron puno , dagat , hayop and all the natural living things.... natural there is God. Abstract siya.

Sa akin na mas okay pa ang abstract God kaysa personal God na literally personal God nga talaga.

Personal God na ama. Ang ating ama. Our Father. Our God the father. Single parent si father. Asan ang wife niya? Joke. Biro lang. Hahaha 😅
 
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Okay na ang abstract God kaysa personal God. Personal God ay medio... medio.... medio clingy ang mga tao ng ganoon resulta. Para sa akin lang iyon a? Clingy na tipong extremely dependent ang mga tao na halimbawa , kung ano ang nakalagay sa biblia ay todong maximum level nila sinusunod na hindi na nakakapag-isip kung nakakatulong ba sa development ng isang human being o hindi , kung justified ba o hindi- basta marami.

Kapag sinabing personal God ay parang meron connection sa bawat isa. Tipong meron relasyon ang bawat isa kung saan ang God ay consider an authority pagkatapos ang mga human being na consider naman na submissive to the authority (hindi nakakapagtaka kung bakit ganoon din magbehave ang mga tao na naniniwala) pagkatapos tipong meron taga supervise or tipong superintendency ang dating as in. Taga supervise or whatever.

Personal God nga. Kaya hindi nakakapagtaka , pati personal God acts like a human na rin. Tipong paparusahan ang tao kapag hindi sumunod pagkatapos mamahalin lang ang ginawa niya kapag minahal siya ng pabalik , pagkatapos alam din niya how to forgive at madami pa po. Acts like human na nga dahil personal God ng tao. Like a father who has children. Paternal father na galing daw sa sinapupunan niya dahil nanggaling tayo sa kanya.

Ganun.

Abstract God means hindi siya nakikita ng mata. Nararamdaman lang na there is God. Siyempre , if we feel it lalo na it is within us dahil we can enhance our spirit to the high level of conciousness , abstract siya na we just feel it katulad lang na meron puno , dagat , hayop and all the natural living things.... natural there is God. Abstract siya.

Sa akin na mas okay pa ang abstract God kaysa personal God na literally personal God nga talaga.

Personal God na ama. Ang ating ama. Our Father. Our God the father. Single parent si father. Asan ang wife niya? Joke. Biro lang. Hahaha 😅
wow ang galing mag explain, eto ang tamang term "personal" (thanks to you asherah) mas mabilis ma-gets kung bakit masyadong interfering si god sa status quo ng follower niya and "follow" is there which is a core component of "slavery"
 
Okay na ang abstract God kaysa personal God. Personal God ay medio... medio.... medio clingy ang mga tao ng ganoon resulta. Para sa akin lang iyon a? Clingy na tipong extremely dependent ang mga tao na halimbawa , kung ano ang nakalagay sa biblia ay todong maximum level nila sinusunod na hindi na nakakapag-isip kung nakakatulong ba sa development ng isang human being o hindi , kung justified ba o hindi- basta marami.

Kapag sinabing personal God ay parang meron connection sa bawat isa. Tipong meron relasyon ang bawat isa kung saan ang God ay consider an authority pagkatapos ang mga human being na consider naman na submissive to the authority (hindi nakakapagtaka kung bakit ganoon din magbehave ang mga tao na naniniwala) pagkatapos tipong meron taga supervise or tipong superintendency ang dating as in. Taga supervise or whatever.

Personal God nga. Kaya hindi nakakapagtaka , pati personal God acts like a human na rin. Tipong paparusahan ang tao kapag hindi sumunod pagkatapos mamahalin lang ang ginawa niya kapag minahal siya ng pabalik , pagkatapos alam din niya how to forgive at madami pa po. Acts like human na nga dahil personal God ng tao. Like a father who has children. Paternal father na galing daw sa sinapupunan niya dahil nanggaling tayo sa kanya.

Ganun.

Abstract God means hindi siya nakikita ng mata. Nararamdaman lang na there is God. Siyempre , if we feel it lalo na it is within us dahil we can enhance our spirit to the high level of conciousness , abstract siya na we just feel it katulad lang na meron puno , dagat , hayop and all the natural living things.... natural there is God. Abstract siya.

Sa akin na mas okay pa ang abstract God kaysa personal God na literally personal God nga talaga.

Personal God na ama. Ang ating ama. Our Father. Our God the father. Single parent si father. Asan ang wife niya? Joke. Biro lang. Hahaha 😅
That's what separates Christianity from any other religion. Other religion teaches that you need to do this and that to obtain or to gain green pastures or to reach God. In Christianity, God came down to us.
 
That's what separates Christianity from any other religion. Other religion teaches that you need to do this and that to obtain or to gain green pastures or to reach God. In Christianity, God came down to us.
may pina god came down to us pa pero sangkatutak pala utos/rules particularly recruitment, ginawa pang HR lahat ng members and all are required to shine their light before men para makapang recruit
 
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may pina god came down to us pa pero sangkatutak pala utos/rules particularly recruitment, ginawa pang HR lahat ng members and all are required to shine their light before men para makapang recruit
The commandment to preach the gospel is for all. But di naman pinipilit if di gusto. The "utos/rules" was created for harmony.
 
saklap 😕 nilaktawan si verse 15
Colossians 1:15-17
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. He created all things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible. Whether they are kings or lords, rulers or powers-- everything has been created through him and for him. He existed before everything and holds everything together.

John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him. Without him was not anything made that has been made.

gets mo po?
lahat lahat kahit yang micro organism nagawa sa pamamagitan ng first born

He has no beginning or end.

lies! 😟
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Philippians 2:6-9
Christ himself was like God in everything.
But he did not think that being equal with God was something to be used for his own benefit. But he gave up his place with God and made himself nothing.
He was born as a man
and became like a servant. And when he was living as a man,
he humbled himself and was fully obedient to God,
even when that caused his death—death on a cross. So God raised him to the highest place.
God made his name greater than every other name
 
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saklap 😕 nilaktawan si verse 15
Colossians 1:15-17
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. He created all things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible. Whether they are kings or lords, rulers or powers-- everything has been created through him and for him. He existed before everything and holds everything together.

John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him. Without him was not anything made that has been made.

gets mo po?
lahat lahat kahit yang micro organism nagawa sa pamamagitan ng first born

The description "firstborn of all creation" speaks of Christ’s preexistence. He is not a creature but the eternal Creator (John 1:10)

Note that Jesus is called the firstborn, not the first-created. The word "firstborn" (Greek word "prototokos") signifies priority. In the culture of the Ancient Near East, the firstborn was not necessarily the oldest child. firstborn referred not to birth order but to rank. The firstborn possessed the inheritance and leadership.

Therefore, the phrase expresses Christ’s sovereignty over creation. After resurrecting Jesus from the dead, God gave Him authority over the Earth (Matthew 28:18).

He has no beginning or end.​

lies! 😟
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
I am the first and I am the last;
besides me there is no god.

Isaiah 48:12
“Listen to me, O Jacob,
and Israel, whom I called!
I am he; I am the first,
and I am the last.
 
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