Help Goods na po ba ito para sa 10k? at may abang po ba ito para sa future upgrade po? system unit lang po syapa help naman po

[jonnelz]

I3 9100f processesor
H310m motherboard
2x4gb 2666mhz ram
750 watts psu
128gb ssd
Rx 560 2gb

 

[yoona01]

goods na yan tol...

 

[Phc-Joshua]

Pwede na, 2nd hand ba yan? Kung 2nd hand dapat may kasama na monitor.

 

[sasame9821]

ok na rin well okish

upgrade path mo is hangang 9th gen i5 lang since yung mobo is low end so di nya kayang i turbo ng matino yung i7 if yun plano mo upgrade
so yeah it good s†éál nga yung rx560 since 4k to 5k yan 2nd hand binayaran mo lang for 10k
kung tutuusin is yung cpu and mobo

 

[brovhenny]

ok na yan pre ung sakin ganyang specs nabili ko ng 18k 2 years ago brand new naman

 

[yoona01]

mahal kasi vcard ngayun, so good na..so if mag upgrade ka, memory, mobo cguro...

 

[jonnelz]

Pwede na, 2nd hand ba yan? Kung 2nd hand dapat may kasama na monitor.

secondhand po sya sir

ok na rin well okish

upgrade path mo is hangang 9th gen i5 lang since yung mobo is low end so di nya kayang i turbo ng matino yung i7 if yun plano mo upgrade
so yeah it good s†éál nga yung rx560 since 4k to 5k yan 2nd hand binayaran mo lang for 10k
kung tutuusin is yung cpu and mobo

pede pa po ba ma upgrade young mobo?

mahal kasi vcard ngayun, so good na..so if mag upgrade ka, memory, mobo cguro...

pwede pa po ba tanggaling yung mobo?

 

[yoona01]

secondhand po sya sir


pede pa po ba ma upgrade young mobo?


pwede pa po ba tanggaling yung mobo?

pwede naman sir, as long as yung socket ng proc mo is same sa mobo, para good. pero dapat mas mataas pa sa mobo mo ngayun..

GIGABYTE Z390 UD (LGA 1151 (300 Series)
or​

ASUS Prime Z390-P LGA1151 (Intel 8th and 9th Gen)​

 

[jonnelz]

pwede naman sir, as long as yung socket ng proc mo is same sa mobo, para good. pero dapat mas mataas pa sa mobo mo ngayun..

GIGABYTE Z390 UD (LGA 1151 (300 Series)​

or​

ASUS Prime Z390-P LGA1151 (Intel 8th and 9th Gen)​

sige sir , salamat po

ok na yan pre ung sakin ganyang specs nabili ko ng 18k 2 years ago brand new naman

goods po ba pang gaming sir?

 

[brovhenny]

sige sir , salamat po


goods po ba pang gaming sir?

ok na ok na panggaming medium to high. kasi ok naman ang videocard

 

[sasame9821]

secondhand po sya sir


pede pa po ba ma upgrade young mobo?


pwede pa po ba tanggaling yung mobo?

yeah pede ka mag upgrade ng mobo
pero since old gen na yan B series mobo ang target mo
yung mga B390 since kaya na nun i turbo yung i7 no problem
avoid Z series overpriced sa mobo lang lalo na dito satin sa pinas na basura pricing ng 2nd hand Z series

seriously porket bili nila retail is 11k to 12k nung bnew feeling nila selling 2nd hand for 6k = good lol
sa 6k na yun mg dadagdag ka na lang ng onti makakapag 12th gen ka na

 

[WemBUMyama]

1151 socket dead platform na yan. no future upgrade.

you might as well go with AMD like Athlon 3000ge or 200ge, I think pasok yan sa 10k with better upgrade path

 

[sasame9821]

1151 socket dead platform na yan. no future upgrade.

you might as well go with AMD like Athlon 3000ge or 200ge, I think pasok yan sa 10k with better upgrade path

what do you mean no upgrade meron syang upgrade which is i5 9th gen and i7 9700k
na ang kaya lang tumapat sa ryzen lineup is ryzen 7 5800X na both over kill pagdating sa cpu power
9th gen yan di yan 2nd or 5th

athlon3000 or 200ge is basura compared sa i3 na yan for 10k ang maganda lang na makukuha mo is yung igpu na iihian ng rx 560b

napaka laki ng upgrade path nya
i5 9600k to i7 9400k to i7 9700k to i9 9900k to i9 9900ks
best of all since wide spread yung socket 1151 mas mura upgrade nya mobo + cpu

and no ryzen 7000 is bagong socket LGA na sya di na PGA so di ka makakapag upgrade from ryzen 5000 to 7000 so kung titignan mo dead socket na rin yung am1 to 4

 

[WemBUMyama]

what do you mean no upgrade meron syang upgrade which is i5 9th gen and i7 9700k
na ang kaya lang tumapat sa ryzen lineup is ryzen 7 5800X na both over kill pagdating sa cpu power
9th gen yan di yan 2nd or 5th

athlon3000 or 200ge is basura compared sa i3 na yan for 10k ang maganda lang na makukuha mo is yung igpu na iihian ng rx 560b

napaka laki ng upgrade path nya
i5 9600k to i7 9400k to i7 9700k to i9 9900k to i9 9900ks
best of all since wide spread yung socket 1151 mas mura upgrade nya mobo + cpu

and no ryzen 7000 is bagong socket LGA na sya di na PGA so di ka makakapag upgrade from ryzen 5000 to 7000 so kung titignan mo dead socket na rin yung am1 to 4

Bagong setup yan. Hindi naman yan ung meron ka nang i3 then upgrade sa i5. You don't pair k version with cheap mobo anyway.

OP is talking about future upgrade niya, marami ding options sa AMD, from Athlon, Ryzen 3000, 4000, 5000 series, while ung 10k na 9th gen hangang sa 9th gen lang.

Obvious naman na mas better ang intel i3, compare sa athlon. the point is you play now suffer later dahil sa lack of upgrade path.

 

[sasame9821]

Bagong setup yan. Hindi naman yan ung meron ka nang i3 then upgrade sa i5. You don't pair k version with cheap mobo anyway.

OP is talking about future upgrade niya, marami ding options sa AMD, from Athlon, Ryzen 3000, 4000, 5000 series, while ung 10k na 9th gen hangang sa 9th gen lang.

Obvious naman na mas better ang intel i3, compare sa athlon. the point is you play now suffer later dahil sa lack of upgrade path.

dude B series mobo can OC a k series up to i7 and almost 3k na lang bnew nito kung alam mo kung saan oorder
price to performance kase masyado na enganyo sa ryzen pinoy dahil binenta ng amd yung 1000 series ng palugi
(ps marketing strat nila to and from the look of it hook line and sinker ka)

tignan natin sa price to performance
ang next step up nya is i5 9400f/k na 11% slower lang sa ryzen 7 5700X which is zen3 na last generation ng ryzen am4 yes flagship ng ryzen am4 is 11% faster lang sa 9th gen i5 both stock

so tignan natin kung tumatapat sya blow for blow sa ryzen 7 5700X
ano result mgyayari kung tatapatan nya yung ryzen 5 na mas mahina and ryzen 3 na yuck

and wag nating kalimutan yung price
6k ang pinaka murang brand new i5 9400 2nd hand 3.5k vs sa ryzen 7 5700x na 16k bnew

remember kaya ryzen 7 yung nilagay ko kase mas malakas lang to ng 11% kysa sa 9400k

so if ever na mag upgrade sya from i3 to i5 maski hindi pa nya baguhin yun mobo nya
eh meron na syang cpu na almost at the same performance ng flagship

for 6K meron na syang cpu na kayang makipag sabayan sa cpu worth 15k
lalo na kung i5 9500 same price pero 8% slower lang sa ryzen 7 5700x
talo lang sya sa core count

yan yung big picture cost to performance 9th gen build for 10k with GPU is far far far better sa maski anong trash config na athlon and equal to ryzen 5 zen3 and trashes ryzen 3 any zen

hindi pa sya lock sa 2 core hell ng athlon
sinabi mo suffer later well is not applicable sya since performance ng any cpu upgrade nya from i3 is = or better sa flagship ng ryzen and 9th gen lang yan
yung binigay mo na ryzen build is pag durusa ng my extrang yapak para sa parehas na hahantogan
(suffering with extra steps for the same gain ika nga)

if yang buong system for 10k vs bubuo sya ng athlon shit box from scratch
yang 10k system ang panalo no contest stuck ka sa 9th gen sure
pero 9th gen intel is = to zen3 ryzen series not to mention yung gpu
kung titignan mo base sa price effective nya lang na binayaran is yung gpu and yung cpu
ibigsabihin yung psu ram case ssd mobo is free sa price na yan

pero applicable lang to if yung buong system is hindi build from scratch na mukang hindi kase my 10k pricetag so prebuilt sya

if build from scratch then yes mas mainam mag ryzen
actually no since if build from scratch paluhurin ng i3 12th gen lahat ng ryzen exept lang sa X3D

but sa case na to prebuild vs scratch build
for the price na almost nakaw na prebuild wins

 

[WemBUMyama]

price to performance kase masyado na enganyo sa ryzen pinoy dahil binenta ng amd yung 1000 series ng palugi
(ps marketing strat nila to and from the look of it hook line and sinker ka)

-Paki check na lang mga post ko kung puro AMD recommended ko, lol.

tignan natin sa price to performance
ang next step up nya is i5 9400f/k na 11% slower lang sa ryzen 7 5700X which is zen3 na last generation ng ryzen am4 yes flagship ng ryzen am4 is 11% faster lang sa 9th gen i5 both stock

Baka tinutukoy mo Ryzen 5 3600 hind ung 5700x.

and wag nating kalimutan yung price
6k ang pinaka murang brand new i5 9400 2nd hand 3.5k vs sa ryzen 7 5700x na 16k bnew

~Kahit 5600 non x na nasa 10k, 2nd hand..palagay natin 8k. Meron din 3600 na nasa 6-7k 2nd hand din.

yan yung big picture cost to performance 9th gen build for 10k with GPU is far far far better kyda maski anong
trash config na athlon and makikipag sabayan pa sa ryzen 3 and 5

~What big picture? Ung OP gusto ng future upgrade, na kulang sa 9th gen. Good luck sa mga heavy games or applications sa i5 9400 baka ma hit always 80-100% cpu usage..

hindi pa sya lock sa 2 core hell ng athlon
sinabi mo suffer later well is not applicable sya since performance ng any cpu upgrade nya from i3 is = or better sa flagship ng ryzen and 9th gen lang yan
yung binigay mo na ryzen build is pag durusa ng my extrang yapak para sa parehas na hahantogan
(suffering with extra steps for the same gain ika nga)

-Tulad nga ng sabi ko, hindi lang naman gaming focus dito. Paanong paparehas hahantungan ikaw na nagsabi 11% faster ang ryzen 3600 sa 9400 sa gaming na hindi masyado utilize ung more cores/thread. Pero sa ibang heavy workload, it is way more than 11% faster.

if yang buong system for 10k vs bubuo sya ng athlon shit box from scrath
yang 10k system and panalo no contest stuck ka sa 9th gen sure pero 9th gen intel is = to zen 3 ryzen
not to mention yung gpu ang effective nya lang na binayaran is yung gpu and yung cpu
ibigsabihin yung psu ram case ssd mobo is free

Ppwede pa yan athlon na 10k kasama ung GPU at SSD na na mentioned sa first post. Then maybe after 5 months or year later, upgrade sa 3600 na upgrade cost eh nasa 7k (2nd hand)

10k (9100) + 3.5k (upgrade sa 9400) = 13.5k.
10k (athlon) + 7k (upgrade sa 3600) = 17k.

Mahal ng 4k ung upgrade, pero may 5600 upgrade path pa yan na tatagal ng maybe next 5 years or 2028 lol.

if build from scratch then yes mas mainam mag ryzen
actually no since if build from scratch paluhurin ng i3 12th gen lahat ng ryzen exept lang sa X3D

~OPs budget is 10k. Ung 10k with athlon is a just starting point. And maybe sa susunod na ilan taon, baka naka 3600 or 5600x na yan si OP coming from athlon.

Okay naman yang i5 9400f, but not worth in the long run.

 

[sasame9821]

-Paki check na lang mga post ko kung puro AMD recommended ko, lol.



Baka tinutukoy mo Ryzen 5 3600 hind ung 5700x.



~Kahit 5600 non x na nasa 10k, 2nd hand..palagay natin 8k. Meron din 3600 na nasa 6-7k 2nd hand din.



~What big picture? Ung OP gusto ng future upgrade, na kulang sa 9th gen. Good luck sa mga heavy games or applications sa i5 9400 baka ma hit always 80-100% cpu usage..



-Tulad nga ng sabi ko, hindi lang naman gaming focus dito. Paanong paparehas hahantungan ikaw na nagsabi 11% faster ang ryzen 3600 sa 9400 sa gaming na hindi masyado utilize ung more cores/thread. Pero sa ibang heavy workload, it is way more than 11% faster.



Ppwede pa yan athlon na 10k kasama ung GPU at SSD na na mentioned sa first post. Then maybe after 5 months or year later, upgrade sa 3600 na upgrade cost eh nasa 7k (2nd hand)

10k (9100) + 3.5k (upgrade sa 9400) = 13.5k.
10k (athlon) + 7k (upgrade sa 3600) = 17k.

Mahal ng 4k ung upgrade, pero may 5600 upgrade path pa yan na tatagal ng maybe next 5 years or 2028 lol.



~OPs budget is 10k. Ung 10k with athlon is a just starting point. And maybe sa susunod na ilan taon, baka naka 3600 or 5600x na yan si OP coming from athlon.

Okay naman yang i5 9400f, but not worth in the long run.

nope its ryzen 7 5700x ang kaya nyang tapatan performance wise both stock
pinaka malaking agwat ng 5700x is sa multi core productivity na video editing by 29%
ngsyon tanogin mo sino mg video editing na starting build is 10k
sino rin mag heavy workload na need more cores na starting build is 10k
ang pinaka tinatapatan ng i5 9400f is ryzen 5 5600x na 2nd best sa lineup

mas pagit performance ng athlon kung dun ka mag starting point bakit satigin mo lahat ng prebuilt eh di na nirerecommend yang path na yan kase from 9th to 12th gen ng intel is ang starting point na tatabla sa mga cpu na yun is ryzen 5 na agad CAP

pati si lowspecgamer is mismong sa reddit nya eh hindi na nya pinupush yang athlon since old gen ng intel is mas mura na ngayon di tulad dati na 3x yung price ng intel vs amd

and 10k is including GPU na almost 2x faster sa igpu ng athlon
pinaka murang brand new sa shopee ng athlon is 4k ngayon wala pang mobo so with mobo about 3k
memory 1.6k pinaka mura na hindi ramsta so 2x nun is 3.2k
tignan mo yung disparity 3 component pa lang wala na 10k nya vs 10k for that full build

ang tinitignan mo kase 10k lang budget kaya athlon shit box better

pero prebuilt yan most likely 2nd hand kase walang i3 9100f build na my gpu for 10k
maski para sakin na my pinsan sa canada na ng bebenta sakin ng cpu fo 50% to 60% off
kung bubuo sya ng bago yes ryzen mas maganda maski yung 1000x lang pero
prebuilt yan with gpu sa package

100% worth it lalo na yung next step up nya is i5 na on par sa mid range ryzen 5
safe na safe sya for 5 to 7 years sa 9th gen with no extra cost and same performance metrix

prebuilt yan di scratch build kung scratch build yes 100% yes sa ryzen build (not athlon shitbox)
pero prebuilt yan with gpu included for 10k na my access sa i7 and overkill i9 9900k
safe na safe sya for atleast 5 to 7 years no problem same sa ryzen path
kaibahan lang is di sya mg platform change and yung entry point nya
is low end to mid range to high end to overkill
imbis na shit tier to low end to mid range to high end to overkill

not to metion na my mga mobo ang ryzen na di tumatangap ng ibang zen cpu specially yung mga mid range offerings na wala ng bios update para sa 5XXX ryzen so pag minalas sya dyan palit board ulit

ps games natin ngayon is 6 cores minimum pa lang kase yung gameing industry natin is connected sa consoles sweet spot nstin for 2022 is 6 cores

and yes 5700x and binasehan ko for game performance dahil alam ko na kayang talunin ng 5700x in multi core performances hands down yung i5 9400f yun yung trap eh kung kakagatin mo an you did
kase 6 core 12 threads lang yung ryzen 5 5600 and HT eh di ginagamit ng 99% of games so effective 6 cores lang ang ryzen 5 so quote "baka alwasy hit 80 to 100% cpu usage"

yan proves to me na sunk cost fallacy ka
so your defending your investment and yung path na kinuha mo
and naintindihan kita walang my gustong sabihan sila na ng sayang sila ng pera
so yeah you do you mate
la akong sunk cost fallacy pc flipper ako so wala ako pinoprotectahan

 

[WemBUMyama]

nope its ryzen 7 5700x ang kaya nyang tapatan performance wise both stock
pinaka malaking agwat ng 5700x is sa multi core productivity na video editing by 29%
ngsyon tanogin mo sino mg video editing na starting build is 10k
ang pinaka tinatapatan ng i5 9400f is ryzen 5 5600x na 2nd best sa lineup

Magbigay ka nga ng benchmark or sources mo. Kaka check ko lang kahit sa Ryzen 5 3600 ay hirap na ung 9400f. Sa video editing naman tulad ng Blender, nasa 52% more faster.

sino rin mag heavy workload na need more cores na starting build is 10k

Bakit mo bibiglain pwede mo naman babaan ung workload mo then may upgrade yan once may budget na.

mas pagit performance ng athlon kung dun ka mag starting point bakit satigin mo lahat ng prebuilt eh di na nirerecommend yang path na yan kase from 9th to 12th gen ng intel is ang starting point na tatabla sa mga cpu na yun is ryzen 5 na agad CAP

Hindi naman yan dahil sa performance ng Athlon. Dahil yan sa upgrade path. Ewan ko. paulit ulit kung eexpplain ko pa eh haha.

and 10k is including GPU na almost 2x faster sa igpu ng athlon
pinaka murang brand new sa shopee ng athlon is 4k ngayon wala pang mobo so with mobo about 3k
memory 1.6k pinaka mura na hindi ramsta so 2x nun is 3.2k
tignan mo yung disparity 3 component pa lang wala na 10k nya vs 10k for that full build

~Pwede mo naman hanapan Athlon na 2nd hand na included ung GPU na 560 (around 3.5k) . Saka bakit mo naman gagawin na agad agad x2 8gb RAM kung kulang sa budget. Upgrade slowly once na may budget.

ang tinitignan mo kase 10k lang budget kaya athlon shit box better

Wala ko sinabing better ang Athlon, pinili ko Athlon dahil sa better upgrade path.

100% worth it lalo na yung next step up nya is i5 na on par sa mid range ryzen 5
safe na safe sya for 5 to 7 years sa 9th gen with no extra cost and same performance metrix

Like I said bigay ka ng sources mo na on par ang 9400f sa Ryzen 5 3600 or 5700x.

pero prebuilt yan with gpu included for 10k na my access sa i7 and overkill i9 9900k

10k + ung mobo niya ay h310....so sinasabi mo na another upgrade nanaman siya sa mobo para ma OC sa K version? Goodluck OCing sa cheap mobo. Oh, and you need good a PSU + cooler kung sakalo i-OC so magkano na total na gastos niya.

safe na safe sya for atleast 5 to 7 years no problem same sa ryzen path
kaibahan lang is di sya mg platform change and yung entry point nya
is low end to mid range to high end to overkill

yeah overkill sa old titles. Tignan natin kung kaya niya i-handle mga CPU intensive game or modern games ng hindi ng stuttering. Kaya nga nagtanong ung OP kung may upgrade path dahil gusto niya mag upgrade in the long run. And gusto mag stay siya ng 8 years lol

not to metion na my mga mobo ang ryzen na di tumatangap ng ibang zen cpu specially yung mga mid range offerings na wala ng bios update para sa 5XXX ryzen so pag minalas sya dyan palit board ulit

Sobrang dali lang hanapan yan kung supported ba or hindi. Kung bumili siya ng walang idea, kasalanan nya un at nung nag advice sa kanya bakit hindi sinabi about sa bios, haha. Kaya nga kung sakali may magbigay ng suggestion sa build, indicate na need ng update bios para sabihin sa seller or store para ma-update ung bios or kung supported para maiwasan.

Lowspecgamer

ahh now I know. HAHA.

itigil na natin ito.

TL;DR

Kung gusto mo ng performance today sure get that i9 9100f.

Kung gusto ng better upgrade path pero less performance today compare sa i3 9100f build with Athlon. pero kung may makita ka na 10k 2200g set with 3000mhz mas okay. As long as ung motherboard supports ang 5000 series.

 

[Abdullah23]

goods na yan, pero upgrade ka ng psu na may 80 plus. Yung sakin sumabog generic psu ko damay motherboard components.

no one talks about sa psu dito sa comment na to, sa lahat ng nabili mo wag na wag mo tipirin ang psu may chance talaga masira ibang parte ng components mo.