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[Deleted member 1523148]

THIS IS ONLY FOR THEIST MOST SPECIFICALLY FOR "CHRISTIANS". RESPECT.

Hi.

First I just want to say that this is somewhat a rant. Why? Please read it all. Please hear me out first. And I am not affiliated with any "religion" or "sekt" or "cult".

Okay.

So, basically I'm having some convo with people from this site ranging from theist to atheist. Those convos sometimes go for chill to debate to heated debate to VERY VERY HEATED DEBATE and in most cases I will just ignore them.

I get why some "atheist" don't understand the gospel. They are clueless. They are faithless and I get that. But for a "Christian" not to know it? I mean, COME ON?!! REAAAAAAALLLLYYY??!!

In most threads that I had a "debate" with a self proclaimed "Christians" what I don't understand ARE THESE:

1. You are calling yourselves Christian YET YOU DONT OWN A BIBLE...neither a Bible App.
2. You are calling yourselves Christian YET A VERY FEW OF YOU READ THE WHOLE BIBLE... The whole 66 books.
3.You are calling yourself a Christian YET YOU ARE SAYING THAT JESUS ABOLISHED THE COMMANDMENTS.

REEEEEEEAAAAAALLLLLLYYYYY???

Ilang beses nako nakipag-usap. Ilang beses nako nagsalita. Ilang beses ko pa uulitin? WALANG NILABAG NA BATAS SI KRISTO. Sinabi Nya yan sa Bible. Sinabi Yan nila Paul, ni Peter, ni John, ng Mga apostol Nya. Sinabi Yan Ng mga Propeta. WALA SYANG NILABAG NI ISA. LAHAT TINUPAD HANGGANG MAMATAY SYA SA EDAD NA 33.

LET ME EDUCATE YOU "CHRISTIANS".

1. Ang isang "work" ni Christ para mailigtas KA ay MAGING ISANG SACRIFICE .
2. Para maging "worthy sacrifice" SYA ay kailangan WALA SYANG KASALANAN.
3. Kung may susuwayin Sya, KAHIT ISA LANG, ay magiging makasalanan Sya dahil sa LAW it is ALL OR NOTHING. MAGKAMALI KA KAHIT SA ISANG PINAKAMALIIT AY MAGKAKAMALI KA SA LAHAT.
4. Now, use your brain (kung working ba yang comprehension mo). Kung si Kristo sinuway ung Sabbath, worthy ba Sya bilang Messiah? Ikaw na sumagot.

Alam ko naman kung bakit ayaw nyo sundin. I get it. May trabaho kayo sa Sabado. May lakad kayo ng barkada mo. May date kayo sa Sogo ng jowa mo. Fine! Di ko nmn ipipilit na sundin nyo. Pero konting respeto naman. Ilang beses ko nang sinabi to. HUWAG NYONG PAGMUKHAING NAGSINUNGALING UNG DIYOS KO!

Alam kong you hate reading the gospel. Alam kong ilang taon kana sa "church" mo pero ni isang libro sa 66 na book ng bible eh Hindi mo matapos. Walang pumipilit sayo. Mas gusto mo pakinggan ung pastor mo, okay! Pero mahiya ka naman.

Kung ayaw mong sundin, OKAY! Just dont impose your I'll mannered pride against the gospel.

HUWAG MONG IPAGKALAT NA TAMA KA DAHIL HINDI KA SUMUSUNOD TAPOS SASABIHIN MO PANG INUTUSAN KA NI KRISTO NA GAWIN YUN.

ANG SARAP MO PO SAKTAN. REAL TALK.

ANG ORIGIN NG COMMANDMENTS AY GANITO:

1. ORIGINAL - (1) Love your God with all your might; (2) Love your neighbor as you love yourself.

2. HINATI SA 10 - (1)You shall have no other gods before Me(God).
(2)"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me. "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
(3)"You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.
(4)"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
(5)"Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the Lord your God gives you.
(6)"You shall not murder.
(7)"You shall not commit adultery.
(8)"You shall not s†éál.
(9)"You shall not be@r false witness against your neighbor.
(10)"You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor."

3. Tapos hinati ulit at naging 613(Hindi ko na iisa-isahin).


Nakita mo ung pattern? Habang padami ng padami pabigat ng pabigat. At kaya dumami kasi mahirap turuan ung mga ISRAELITA noon. Kaya lalong ginawang "specific" ung dating 2 utos lang.

UNG FIRST 4 NG COMMANDMENTS = LOVE YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT
UNG NEXT 6 NG COMMANDMENTS AY = LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF.

Common sense nalang. NASA PANG 4 UNG SABBATH. KUNG HINDI IMPORTANTE YAN EH BAKET MAS MATAAS SA HUWAG PUMATAY? SA HUWAG MAGNAKAW? SA HUWAG MANGALUNYA? AT HIGIT NA MAHALAGA KESA SA DI PAGKAIN NG DUGO NA WALA SA 10 COMMANDMENTS??

Kung di mo Kaya sundin, please lang... Wag mo nalang ituro sa iba na huwag din sila sumunod.

And will you stop saying that "as a Christian we are not under the law cause we have a new law with Christ." HALATANG HALATANG DI KA NAGBABASA NG BIBLE. WALANG BINAGO SI CHRIST SA COMMANDMENTS DAHIL KAHIT MGA APOSTLE AT EARLY CHRISTIAN SINUSUNOD UNG 613 LAWS.

The Gospel will NEVER contradict itself.

ANG BIBLIYA AY BINABASA NG BUO BAGO KA MAGCONCLUDE. KAYA MADAMING MISQUOTED NA BIBLE VERSES AY DAHIL SA MGA SUNDAY CHRISTIANS NA CHERRY PICKER NA NAMIMILI LANG KUNG ANUNG GUSTO NILA TAPOS IDEDENY UNG IBA.

And if your false idea of jesus is telling you not to follow the law, then maybe you need to reexamine yourself and ask "am I saved"? For MY LORD JESUS SAID "If you love me, Keep my Commandments." John 14:15

Take this in any form of criticism you want, I don't care. BUT AS FOR ME, I WILL RESPECT MY GOD AND HIS LAWS.

God bless.

 

[CutedoC]

Amen keep on sharing

 

[Deleted member 1523148]

Amen keep on sharing

Hindi ko pa nabasa nang buo ung reply mo Doon sa isang thread. Pero simplehan ko lang, mahirap sa Pilipino na sundin ang Sabbath kasi not part ng culture natin as a gentile. We are basically godless hanggang maintroduce ang gospel nung dumating kastila. Sa mga jews mahirap din ang Sabbath.

Sa 10 commandments, Sabbath lang ang connected sa Oras. We, as a human, value time so much as mas prefer natin to use it in as productive as possible. Kaya ang pagpapahinga ay medyo off kung kailangan mo ng madaming pera.

God knows that.

Sa kabuuan ng gospel, LAHAT ng sumunod sa 10 xommandments ay pinagpala ng Diyos. Kasama dun ang mga Sabbath Keepers.

Sabbath is the Day of the Lord that He specifically picked. Creation palang pinili na. Sabbath ang unang commandment na nabuo at nailatag ng maayos. Pinili Mula sa 7 araw. Namumukod tangi. Special.

Kung anung depth noon, mahirap maintindihan. But as I said, I will respect the laws of my God. Hindi ko masusunod ung buong 613. Pero I'm trying my hardest kahit sa 10 Lang. I'm still failing, but I will never tell other people not to follow it.

Takot ako sa Diyos. Sobra. At alam kong kailangan ng takot para sumunod.

God bless sayo.

 

[ken_rebirth]

THIS IS ONLY FOR THEIST MOST SPECIFICALLY FOR "CHRISTIANS". RESPECT.

Hi.

First I just want to say that this is somewhat a rant. Why? Please read it all. Please hear me out first. And I am not affiliated with any "religion" or "sekt" or "cult".

Okay.

So, basically I'm having some convo with people from this site ranging from theist to atheist. Those convos sometimes go for chill to debate to heated debate to VERY VERY HEATED DEBATE and in most cases I will just ignore them.

I get why some "atheist" don't understand the gospel. They are clueless. They are faithless and I get that. But for a "Christian" not to know it? I mean, COME ON?!! REAAAAAAALLLLYYY??!!

In most threads that I had a "debate" with a self proclaimed "Christians" what I don't understand ARE THESE:

1. You are calling yourselves Christian YET YOU DONT OWN A BIBLE...neither a Bible App.
2. You are calling yourselves Christian YET A VERY FEW OF YOU READ THE WHOLE BIBLE... The whole 66 books.
3.You are calling yourself a Christian YET YOU ARE SAYING THAT JESUS ABOLISHED THE COMMANDMENTS.

REEEEEEEAAAAAALLLLLLYYYYY???

Ilang beses nako nakipag-usap. Ilang beses nako nagsalita. Ilang beses ko pa uulitin? WALANG NILABAG NA BATAS SI KRISTO. Sinabi Nya yan sa Bible. Sinabi Yan nila Paul, ni Peter, ni John, ng Mga apostol Nya. Sinabi Yan Ng mga Propeta. WALA SYANG NILABAG NI ISA. LAHAT TINUPAD HANGGANG MAMATAY SYA SA EDAD NA 33.

LET ME EDUCATE YOU "CHRISTIANS".

1. Ang isang "work" ni Christ para mailigtas KA ay MAGING ISANG SACRIFICE .
2. Para maging "worthy sacrifice" SYA ay kailangan WALA SYANG KASALANAN.
3. Kung may susuwayin Sya, KAHIT ISA LANG, ay magiging makasalanan Sya dahil sa LAW it is ALL OR NOTHING. MAGKAMALI KA KAHIT SA ISANG PINAKAMALIIT AY MAGKAKAMALI KA SA LAHAT.
4. Now, use your brain (kung working ba yang comprehension mo). Kung si Kristo sinuway ung Sabbath, worthy ba Sya bilang Messiah? Ikaw na sumagot.

Alam ko naman kung bakit ayaw nyo sundin. I get it. May trabaho kayo sa Sabado. May lakad kayo ng barkada mo. May date kayo sa Sogo ng jowa mo. Fine! Di ko nmn ipipilit na sundin nyo. Pero konting respeto naman. Ilang beses ko nang sinabi to. HUWAG NYONG PAGMUKHAING NAGSINUNGALING UNG DIYOS KO!

Alam kong you hate reading the gospel. Alam kong ilang taon kana sa "church" mo pero ni isang libro sa 66 na book ng bible eh Hindi mo matapos. Walang pumipilit sayo. Mas gusto mo pakinggan ung pastor mo, okay! Pero mahiya ka naman.

Kung ayaw mong sundin, OKAY! Just dont impose your I'll mannered pride against the gospel.

HUWAG MONG IPAGKALAT NA TAMA KA DAHIL HINDI KA SUMUSUNOD TAPOS SASABIHIN MO PANG INUTUSAN KA NI KRISTO NA GAWIN YUN.

ANG SARAP MO PO SAKTAN. REAL TALK.

ANG ORIGIN NG COMMANDMENTS AY GANITO:

1. ORIGINAL - (1) Love your God with all your might; (2) Love your neighbor as you love yourself.

2. HINATI SA 10 - (1)You shall have no other gods before Me(God).
(2)"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me. "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
(3)"You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.
(4)"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
(5)"Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the Lord your God gives you.
(6)"You shall not murder.
(7)"You shall not commit adultery.
(8)"You shall not s†éál.
(9)"You shall not be@r false witness against your neighbor.
(10)"You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor."

3. Tapos hinati ulit at naging 613(Hindi ko na iisa-isahin).


Nakita mo ung pattern? Habang padami ng padami pabigat ng pabigat. At kaya dumami kasi mahirap turuan ung mga ISRAELITA noon. Kaya lalong ginawang "specific" ung dating 2 utos lang.

UNG FIRST 4 NG COMMANDMENTS = LOVE YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT
UNG NEXT 6 NG COMMANDMENTS AY = LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF.

Common sense nalang. NASA PANG 4 UNG SABBATH. KUNG HINDI IMPORTANTE YAN EH BAKET MAS MATAAS SA HUWAG PUMATAY? SA HUWAG MAGNAKAW? SA HUWAG MANGALUNYA? AT HIGIT NA MAHALAGA KESA SA DI PAGKAIN NG DUGO NA WALA SA 10 COMMANDMENTS??

Kung di mo Kaya sundin, please lang... Wag mo nalang ituro sa iba na huwag din sila sumunod.

And will you stop saying that "as a Christian we are not under the law cause we have a new law with Christ." HALATANG HALATANG DI KA NAGBABASA NG BIBLE. WALANG BINAGO SI CHRIST SA COMMANDMENTS DAHIL KAHIT MGA APOSTLE AT EARLY CHRISTIAN SINUSUNOD UNG 613 LAWS.

The Gospel will NEVER contradict itself.

ANG BIBLIYA AY BINABASA NG BUO BAGO KA MAGCONCLUDE. KAYA MADAMING MISQUOTED NA BIBLE VERSES AY DAHIL SA MGA SUNDAY CHRISTIANS NA CHERRY PICKER NA NAMIMILI LANG KUNG ANUNG GUSTO NILA TAPOS IDEDENY UNG IBA.

And if your false idea of jesus is telling you not to follow the law, then maybe you need to reexamine yourself and ask "am I saved"? For MY LORD JESUS SAID "If you love me, Keep my Commandments." John 14:15

Take this in any form of criticism you want, I don't care. BUT AS FOR ME, I WILL RESPECT MY GOD AND HIS LAWS.

God bless.

Why God limit the commandments into just ten (10).
why not eleven (11).
like adding 'You shall not rape'

 

[Deleted member 1523148]

Why God limit the commandments into just ten (10).
why not eleven (11).
like adding 'You shall not rape'

Nasa 613 un.

Deuteronomy 22:22-30
[22]"If a man is found lying with a married woman, then both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman; thus you shall purge the evil from Israel.
[23]"If there is a girl who is a virgn engaged to a man, and another man finds her in the city and lies with her,
[24]then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city and you shall stone them to death; the girl, because she did not cry out in the city, and the man, because he has violated his neighbor's wife. Thus you shall purge the evil from among you.
[25]"But if in the field the man finds the girl who is engaged, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lies with her shall die.
[26]But you shall do nothing to the girl; there is no sin in the girl worthy of death, for just as a man rises against his neighbor and murders him, so is this case.
[27]When he found her in the field, the engaged girl cried out, but there was no one to save her.
[28]"If a man finds a girl who is a virgn, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered,
[29]then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days.
[30]"A man shall not take his father's wife so that he will not uncover his father's skirt.

 

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Bwahaahhha xD hindi kami obligado sundin ang pangingilin ng sabbath kasi hindi kami hudyo o israelita , ganun lng ka simple , ano di nyo talaga ma gets mga CHRISTIANS?

nag stick ka parin dyan sa aral na para lamang sa bansang israel o sa mga hudyo, di kaba updated di ka nga yata nagbabasa ng Bible?

Acts 13:38 Kaya maging hayag nawa sa inyo, mga kapatid, na sa pamamagitan ng taong ito'y ibinabalita sa inyo ang kapatawaran ng mga kasalanan:
39 At sa pamamagitan niya ang bawa't nananampalataya ay inaaring ganap sa lahat ng mga bagay, na sa mga ito'y hindi kayo aariing ganap sa pamamagitan ng kautusan ni Moises.

hindi na tayo (mga gentil) aariing ganap sa kautusan ni moises, kasi pinalitan na ang kautusan

Hebreo 7:12 Sapagka't nang palitan ang pagkasaserdote ay kinailangang palitan naman ang kautusan.

 

[Deleted member 1523148]

Bwahaahhha xD hindi kami obligado sundin ang pangingilin ng sabbath kasi hindi kami hudyo o israelita , ganun lng ka simple , ano di nyo talaga ma gets mga CHRISTIANS?

nag stick ka parin dyan sa aral na para lamang sa bansang israel o sa mga hudyo, di kaba updated di ka nga yata nagbabasa ng Bible?

Acts 13:38 Kaya maging hayag nawa sa inyo, mga kapatid, na sa pamamagitan ng taong ito'y ibinabalita sa inyo ang kapatawaran ng mga kasalanan:
39 At sa pamamagitan niya ang bawa't nananampalataya ay inaaring ganap sa lahat ng mga bagay, na sa mga ito'y hindi kayo aariing ganap sa pamamagitan ng kautusan ni Moises.

hindi na tayo (mga gentil) aariing ganap sa kautusan ni moises, kasi pinalitan na ang kautusan

Hebreo 7:12 Sapagka't nang palitan ang pagkasaserdote ay kinailangang palitan naman ang kautusan.

Natapos ko na ang kabuuan ng bibliya. From cover to cover. Walang iniwan ni isang salita. Inabot ako ng lagpas isang taon.

Natawa ako sa idea na magkaiba tayo ng nabuong pananaw?

Natapos mo na ba ang bible?

Kung Hindi, Wala kang karapatang sabihan ako na hindi ako nagbabasa.

Sabagay, kagaya ng pangalan mo..............nakabalot ka sa plastic.
Bahala ka na kung pano mo iintindihin ung sinabi ko.

 

[CutedoC]

Bwahaahhha xD hindi kami obligado sundin ang pangingilin ng sabbath kasi hindi kami hudyo o israelita , ganun lng ka simple , ano di nyo talaga ma gets mga CHRISTIANS?

nag stick ka parin dyan sa aral na para lamang sa bansang israel o sa mga hudyo, di kaba updated di ka nga yata nagbabasa ng Bible?

Acts 13:38 Kaya maging hayag nawa sa inyo, mga kapatid, na sa pamamagitan ng taong ito'y ibinabalita sa inyo ang kapatawaran ng mga kasalanan:
39 At sa pamamagitan niya ang bawa't nananampalataya ay inaaring ganap sa lahat ng mga bagay, na sa mga ito'y hindi kayo aariing ganap sa pamamagitan ng kautusan ni Moises.

hindi na tayo (mga gentil) aariing ganap sa kautusan ni moises, kasi pinalitan na ang kautusan

Hebreo 7:12 Sapagka't nang palitan ang pagkasaserdote ay kinailangang palitan naman ang kautusan.

Psalm 19:7-10 New King James Version (NKJV)
7 The law of the Lord is perfect,[You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.]converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;
8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart;
The commandment of the Lord ispure, enlightening the eyes;
9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever;
The judgments of the Lord are trueand righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold,
Yea, than much fine gold;
Sweeter also than honey and the[You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.]honeycomb.

The Law of the Lord is perfect. And diba sa bagong law na sinasabi mo Sabbath day rest lang ang nawala?

If hindi mo nakikitq si Christ sa Old and New Testament your reading the bible wrong. And Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever

 

[bandwagon]

Nasa 613 un.

Deuteronomy 22:22-30
[22]"If a man is found lying with a married woman, then both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman; thus you shall purge the evil from Israel.
[23]"If there is a girl who is a virgn engaged to a man, and another man finds her in the city and lies with her,
[24]then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city and you shall stone them to death; the girl, because she did not cry out in the city, and the man, because he has violated his neighbor's wife. Thus you shall purge the evil from among you.
[25]"But if in the field the man finds the girl who is engaged, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lies with her shall die.
[26]But you shall do nothing to the girl; there is no sin in the girl worthy of death, for just as a man rises against his neighbor and murders him, so is this case.
[27]When he found her in the field, the engaged girl cried out, but there was no one to save her.
[28]"If a man finds a girl who is a virgn, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered,
[29]then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days.
[30]"A man shall not take his father's wife so that he will not uncover his father's skirt.

Some of these are really disturbing and I doubt an infinitely understanding/loving God can utter such silly commands

 

[Thea18]

Utos naman pala ni Cristo ang susundin natin sabi ni ts

Jn.14:15 Kung ako'y inyong iniibig, ay tutuparin ninyo ang aking mga utos.

Oo nga naman kasi kung mayron mang tinatawag na kautusan ni moises mayron din naman mababasa na kautusan ni cristo na siyang nararapat sundin ng mga kristyano.

Gal.6:2 Mangagdalahan kayo ng mga pasanin ng isa't isa, at tuparin ninyong gayon ang kautusan ni Cristo.

Ayan po Kautusan ni Cristo daw po kasi di po tayo aariing ganap ng kautusan ni Moises.

Gw. 13:39 At sa pamamagitan niya ang bawa't nananampalataya ay inaaring ganap sa lahat ng mga bagay, na sa mga ito'y hindi kayo aariing ganap sa pamamagitan ng kautusan ni Moises

 

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Natapos ko na ang kabuuan ng bibliya. From cover to cover. Walang iniwan ni isang salita. Inabot ako ng lagpas isang taon.

Natawa ako sa idea na magkaiba tayo ng nabuong pananaw?

Natapos mo na ba ang bible?

Kung Hindi, Wala kang karapatang sabihan ako na hindi ako nagbabasa.

Sabagay, kagaya ng pangalan mo..............nakabalot ka sa plastic.
Bahala ka na kung pano mo iintindihin ung sinabi ko.

Natapos mo na bang talaga? Puwes di mo naintindihan ang Bible. Kahit natapos mo na yan basahin, di mo talaga na intindihan yan. Naawa ako sayo pero sarap mong e real talk kasi naive ka masyado, ewan kung innocent mistakes mo lang ito o nananadya ka lang talaga.

Hebreo 8:
You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.Sapagka't kung ang unang tipang yaon ay naging walang kakulangan, ay hindi na sana inihanap ng pangangailangan ang ikalawa.

You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.Sapagka't sa pagkakita ng kakulangan sa kanila, ay sinabi niya, Narito, dumarating ang mga araw, sinasabi ng Panginoon, Na ako'y gagawa ng isang bagong pakikipagtipan; sa sangbahayan ni Israel at sa sangbahayan ni Juda.

You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.Hindi ayon sa tipang aking ipinakipagtipan sa kanilang mga magulang Nang araw na sila'y aking tangnan sa kamay, upang sila'y ihatid sa labas ng lupain ng Egipto; Sapagka't sila'y hindi nanatili sa aking tipan, At akin silang pinabayaan, sinasabi ng Panginoon.

Ang Panginoon na mismo nagsabi na gagawa siya ng bagong pakikipagtipan, dahil yong unang tipan (ten commandments na itinipan sa bundok ng sinai sa arabia) ay may kakulangan, at ang mga israelita ay hindi sumusunod o nananatili sa tipan nang una, hindi nakakapag sakdal kasi pang karnal lang.

 

[LordCED]

G na g sir ah

 

[homer_simpson]

Golden rule, isa lang: Don't do to others what you do not want others do unto you. Pinaka-simple, pinaka-madaling intindihin at pinaka-praktikal.

Ngayun, kung ang isang individual ay nakatupad sa Golden Rule and for argument's sake, let's say nakaharap na nya ang "dyos". Do you think that that person will be allowed to enter into the kingdom of heaven or will he be thrown into the abyss of hell?

 

[CutedoC]

Natapos mo na bang talaga? Puwes di mo naintindihan ang Bible. Kahit natapos mo na yan basahin, di mo talaga na intindihan yan. Naawa ako sayo pero sarap mong e real talk kasi naive ka masyado, ewan kung innocent mistakes mo lang ito o nananadya ka lang talaga.

Hebreo 8:
You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.Sapagka't kung ang unang tipang yaon ay naging walang kakulangan, ay hindi na sana inihanap ng pangangailangan ang ikalawa.

You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.Sapagka't sa pagkakita ng kakulangan sa kanila, ay sinabi niya, Narito, dumarating ang mga araw, sinasabi ng Panginoon, Na ako'y gagawa ng isang bagong pakikipagtipan; sa sangbahayan ni Israel at sa sangbahayan ni Juda.

You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.Hindi ayon sa tipang aking ipinakipagtipan sa kanilang mga magulang Nang araw na sila'y aking tangnan sa kamay, upang sila'y ihatid sa labas ng lupain ng Egipto; Sapagka't sila'y hindi nanatili sa aking tipan, At akin silang pinabayaan, sinasabi ng Panginoon.

Ang Panginoon na mismo nagsabi na gagawa siya ng bagong pakikipagtipan, dahil yong unang tipan (ten commandments na itinipan sa bundok ng sinai sa arabia) ay may kakulangan, at ang mga israelita ay hindi sumusunod o nananatili sa tipan nang una, hindi nakakapag sakdal kasi pang karnal lang.

malayo ang sinasabi mong KAKULANGAN. sa sinasabi sa KJV na FAULTLESS.

Hebrews 8:7-11 King James Version (KJV)
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Ano ba ibig sabihin na Covenant? pakikipagsunduan. Old Covenant. nasa loob yung 10 commandments ng Diyos sa Ark of Covenant yung 10 Commandments. tapos Laws of Moses nasa gilid nun. eh Dahil nakakalimot ang Tao. Diyos na mismo ang magsusulat ng Laws sa puso at isipan natin. walang sinabi na my Kakulangan ang batas. sa translation mo lang yan. gamitin mo ang King James.

Jesus is the same yesterday,today, and forever. bakit niya papalitan sa SAbbath rest? eh yan sa claim niyo na batas na my kakulangan, interpretation lang ng Leader niyo yan sasabihin niya mas dinagdagan ang batas na pag tumingin ka lang nag kasala ka na.
eh nasa 10 commandments na yun Covetting neighbors wife.

“I give you a new command: Love one another. Just as I have loved you, you are also to love one another.
John 13:34
ang tao kasi pag my Bago gamit and all excited ipinagmalalaki na my bago. pag sinasabi New its just a reminder.
kaya nga my 10 commandments. if you do that you have love one another na. ang mali kasi satin yung interpretation ng Law na ginagawa ng Israel.

Tingnan naitn old times. pag my sin sila kelangan unblesmish animals. Now tinapos na ni Christ yun kasi siya na Unblemish animal. my nagbago ba sa pag henge ng tawad? wala

SAbbath rest was instituted during the days of creation. tapos nung binigay niya sa Israel yung 10 commandments. my nagbago ba sa rest day?

eh pag sinulat ba sa puso natin in our hearts and minds my babaguhin ba? eh sinabi na nga sa Isaiah

22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me," says the LORD. Isiah 66:22-23
Diba malinaw na Future seeting yan? my bago langit at bagong Earth na ba? wala pa diba?

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Matthew 5:18

Malinaw rin sinabi, pag naglaho na ang Earth natin Walang Babaguhin sa BATAS kasi nga Law of the LORD is PERFECT

 

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malayo ang sinasabi mong KAKULANGAN. sa sinasabi sa KJV na FAULTLESS.

Hebrews 8:7-11 King James Version (KJV)
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Ano ba ibig sabihin na Covenant? pakikipagsunduan. Old Covenant. nasa loob yung 10 commandments ng Diyos sa Ark of Covenant yung 10 Commandments. tapos Laws of Moses nasa gilid nun. eh Dahil nakakalimot ang Tao. Diyos na mismo ang magsusulat ng Laws sa puso at isipan natin. walang sinabi na my Kakulangan ang batas. sa translation mo lang yan. gamitin mo ang King James.

Jesus is the same yesterday,today, and forever. bakit niya papalitan sa SAbbath rest? eh yan sa claim niyo na batas na my kakulangan, interpretation lang ng Leader niyo yan sasabihin niya mas dinagdagan ang batas na pag tumingin ka lang nag kasala ka na.
eh nasa 10 commandments na yun Covetting neighbors wife.

“I give you a new command: Love one another. Just as I have loved you, you are also to love one another.
John 13:34
ang tao kasi pag my Bago gamit and all excited ipinagmalalaki na my bago. pag sinasabi New its just a reminder.
kaya nga my 10 commandments. if you do that you have love one another na. ang mali kasi satin yung interpretation ng Law na ginagawa ng Israel.

Tingnan naitn old times. pag my sin sila kelangan unblesmish animals. Now tinapos na ni Christ yun kasi siya na Unblemish animal. my nagbago ba sa pag henge ng tawad? wala

SAbbath rest was instituted during the days of creation. tapos nung binigay niya sa Israel yung 10 commandments. my nagbago ba sa rest day?

eh pag sinulat ba sa puso natin in our hearts and minds my babaguhin ba? eh sinabi na nga sa Isaiah

22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me," says the LORD. Isiah 66:22-23
Diba malinaw na Future seeting yan? my bago langit at bagong Earth na ba? wala pa diba?

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Matthew 5:18

Malinaw rin sinabi, pag naglaho na ang Earth natin Walang Babaguhin sa BATAS kasi nga Law of the LORD is PERFECT

Hebreo 8:You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.Doon sa sinasabi niya, Isang bagong tipan, ay linuma niya ang una. Datapuwa't ang nagiging luma at tumatanda ay malapit ng lumipas.


Niluma na nga ng Dios ang unang tipan tas mag stick parin kayo sa luma na malapit ng lumipas?


Naglalagay ka ng sarili mong hinuha sa malinaw na nakasulat sa Bible.
Di nga kayo nakakaunawa sa Bible

Mateo 12:You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.Nang panahong yaon ay naglalakad si Jesus nang araw ng sabbath sa mga bukiran ng trigo; at nangagutom ang kaniyang mga alagad at nangagpasimulang magsikitil ng mga uhay at magsikain. You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.Datapuwa't pagkakita nito ng mga Fariseo, ay sinabi nila sa kaniya, Tingnan mo, ginagawa ng mga alagad mo ang hindi matuwid na gawin sa sabbath.

Mateo 12:You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.Sapagka't ang Anak ng tao ay panginoon ng sabbath.

Panginoon ng sabbath ang Panginoong Hesus , kaya nga di siya nangingilin pati kanyang mga alagad

 

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Some of these are really disturbing and I doubt an infinitely understanding/loving God can utter such silly commands

San nmn ang disturbing dyan?
BTW, I did say that this thread is only for theist? Right? Why are you here?

 

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G na g sir ah

Andaming nakakabadtrip dito eh..

 

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Utos naman pala ni Cristo ang susundin natin sabi ni ts

Jn.14:15 Kung ako'y inyong iniibig, ay tutuparin ninyo ang aking mga utos.

Oo nga naman kasi kung mayron mang tinatawag na kautusan ni moises mayron din naman mababasa na kautusan ni cristo na siyang nararapat sundin ng mga kristyano.

Gal.6:2 Mangagdalahan kayo ng mga pasanin ng isa't isa, at tuparin ninyong gayon ang kautusan ni Cristo.

Ayan po Kautusan ni Cristo daw po kasi di po tayo aariing ganap ng kautusan ni Moises.

Gw. 13:39 At sa pamamagitan niya ang bawa't nananampalataya ay inaaring ganap sa lahat ng mga bagay, na sa mga ito'y hindi kayo aariing ganap sa pamamagitan ng kautusan ni Moises

Haytz.
Basic na lang.
Si Kristo ay Diyos.
Ang Diyos ang nagbigay kay Moses ng 10 commandments.
Si Kristo ang nagbigay kay Moses ng 10 commandments.

Gets?

 

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Natapos mo na bang talaga? Puwes di mo naintindihan ang Bible. Kahit natapos mo na yan basahin, di mo talaga na intindihan yan. Naawa ako sayo pero sarap mong e real talk kasi naive ka masyado, ewan kung innocent mistakes mo lang ito o nananadya ka lang talaga.

Hebreo 8:
You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.Sapagka't kung ang unang tipang yaon ay naging walang kakulangan, ay hindi na sana inihanap ng pangangailangan ang ikalawa.

You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.Sapagka't sa pagkakita ng kakulangan sa kanila, ay sinabi niya, Narito, dumarating ang mga araw, sinasabi ng Panginoon, Na ako'y gagawa ng isang bagong pakikipagtipan; sa sangbahayan ni Israel at sa sangbahayan ni Juda.

You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.Hindi ayon sa tipang aking ipinakipagtipan sa kanilang mga magulang Nang araw na sila'y aking tangnan sa kamay, upang sila'y ihatid sa labas ng lupain ng Egipto; Sapagka't sila'y hindi nanatili sa aking tipan, At akin silang pinabayaan, sinasabi ng Panginoon.

Ang Panginoon na mismo nagsabi na gagawa siya ng bagong pakikipagtipan, dahil yong unang tipan (ten commandments na itinipan sa bundok ng sinai sa arabia) ay may kakulangan, at ang mga israelita ay hindi sumusunod o nananatili sa tipan nang una, hindi nakakapag sakdal kasi pang karnal lang.

Haytz. Common sa mga uneducated magmarunong.

May naalala ako, Diba di ka kumakain ng dugo? Paliwanag mo nga ulit kung baket? Kasi kung tama pagkakaalala ko sa Old Testament inutos yan kasabay ng Sabbath.

So..... You don't follow Sabbath kasi "old law"
Pero You follow Not To eat Blood kahit "old law" din.

Lalalalalala.

 

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Hebreo 8:You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.Doon sa sinasabi niya, Isang bagong tipan, ay linuma niya ang una. Datapuwa't ang nagiging luma at tumatanda ay malapit ng lumipas.


Niluma na nga ng Dios ang unang tipan tas mag stick parin kayo sa luma na malapit ng lumipas?


Naglalagay ka ng sarili mong hinuha sa malinaw na nakasulat sa Bible.
Di nga kayo nakakaunawa sa Bible

Mateo 12:You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.Nang panahong yaon ay naglalakad si Jesus nang araw ng sabbath sa mga bukiran ng trigo; at nangagutom ang kaniyang mga alagad at nangagpasimulang magsikitil ng mga uhay at magsikain. You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.Datapuwa't pagkakita nito ng mga Fariseo, ay sinabi nila sa kaniya, Tingnan mo, ginagawa ng mga alagad mo ang hindi matuwid na gawin sa sabbath.

Mateo 12:You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.Sapagka't ang Anak ng tao ay panginoon ng sabbath.

Panginoon ng sabbath ang Panginoong Hesus , kaya nga di siya nangingilin pati kanyang mga alagad

pag binasa mo lahat ng verse sa Matthew san diyan sinabi ni Jesus na hindi na kailangan maningil sa Sabbath? He was explaining diyan. o dahil tinuro mo yan my papabasa ako.

Matthew 12:3-5 King James Version (KJV)
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

Kaya Blameless without sin si Jesus on a Sabbath. kung intention mo naman ay maganda at Glorifying God . wala kang nilalabag nun. sabi sa verse 5 the priests were blamelss.

eto bibigyan pa kita example. Si King Saul, God ordered him to kill everyone on the city. pero iniwan niya yung Hari pati yung mga Animal flocks. niya na i sasacrifice niya kay God. diba nagalit sa Diyos sa kanya.

Si king David found favor because he follows the will of God. sa panahon eto nabigay na rin 10 commandments dito na 10 commandments.

the Law is their for us to know the will of God. yung mga Pharesees kasi obeys the Law. dahil gusto nila mas magaling sila at pure sa ibang tao. They have forgotten that the Law should glorify God and not themselves

isipin mo ano ba ang mali sa sabbath? eh diba claim niyo na kulang sa batas sa old covenant according to your prophet na hinahamon ang INC kaya nagtatago na. tingin mo ugali ba ng Christiano yun? sabi nga Love one another eh. tapos Out of the 10 binabawasan niyo 1 edi 9 commandments na lang plus sinasabi niyo na kulang sa Laws.

eto ano sa tingin mo tinutukoy sa Daniel about the BEAST religion? its either your with him or not yun

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change TIMES and LAWS: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Daniel 7:25-26

diba sa pagpapalit at paganalyze na hindi na kelangan maningil sa Sabbath we might be aligning with the Beast without knowing.

OH well tama na strong Faith ka naman. para eto sa mga tao na hindi pa nakakalam. Diba Salvation is relationship with God. even the laws wont make us save. but we must obey because we love him. nag sharing tayo dito para mabasa ng iba pang tao na konti pa lang alam sa biblia. its either maniwala sila sa Faith niyo. tapos sa errors rin na sinasabi Lord's day daw ay Sunday? eh wala naman sa biblia na sinabi na yun. sabi na nga ni Jesus sa verse mo sa taas He is also the Lord of the Sabbath so yun ang Lords day Sabbath. resting in him.
sa israel kasi mali yung pag kainterpret nila sa Sabbath. eh tingnan mo sinusundan rin nila si Christ para i condemn siya.

Revelation 1:10
Verse Concepts
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet,

Wala dito sinabi Sunday yan . Lords day is still his Rest, Sabbath day 7th day


we are just here to witness for our Lord Jesus Christ. and sinabi sa biblia the LAW of the LORD is perfect. and not a single Jot in the Law ay papalitan.

kami we follow everything. kasi takot kami sa plagues if we add or subtract.