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itlawgMo

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Mga idol, ano sa tingin nyo mas effective at convenient para matutong magprogram, self study or bootcamp?
 

dee-u

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Hindi ko pa naranasan magbootcamp, puro self study lang, ang importante maiapply mo yung ini-study mo para hindi mo malimutan.
 

1nn0c3ntv5

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Saang field ng I.T ka ba muna mag fofocus?

Kung sa Programming o kaya naman sa Software Development, maraming mga libreng online tutorial diyan at mga documentation at hindi ka mamomroblema dahil may malaki silang online community.

Kung sa Networking, I recommend na mag bootcamp ka dahil mostly mga proprietary organizations o Enterprise Networking Companies (ENT) tulad ng Cisco at Huawei. May mga universities at organizations dito sa pinas na nag o-offer niyan like Mapua University (CA), Ironlink, RivanIT etc... which costs about 25k minimum (cert exam not included)+

Kung balak mo mag WebDev, may SoloLearn naman diyan para matuto ng JQuery, HTML5, CSS3, at Javascript, pero napapansin ko sa mga website ngayon puro nakabase sila sa mga javascript frameworks (ionic, angular, react, vue, at backbone.js et..) pero marami pa rin mga web tutorials diyan na libre kaya tingin ko kaya pa din itong i self study.

Kung Database Management ang trip mo gaya ko, mas maganda na mag bootcamp ka, dahil ang karaniwan na nag hahandle ng mga yun ay yung mga actual companies talaga na nagle-lead ng mga databases tulad ng Microsoft at Oracle, medyo may kamahalan to pero isang kidney lang ang kailangan mo para mabuhay kaya may pera ka pa din para makabili ng bootcamp nila. Dito sa database napansin ko na parang may startup requirement na nakapasa ka ng mga certification exams bago ka magkaroon ng junior position pag mag ta-trabaho ka unlike sa programming, kahit walang certification na naipasa, basta marunong ka mag code ng OOP, magaling ka sa mga logic para sa mga solution, at may additional background ka sa ibang programming languages ay magkakaroon ka ng posisyon kahit startup.
 

itlawgMo

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Saang field ng I.T ka ba muna mag fofocus?

Kung sa Programming o kaya naman sa Software Development, maraming mga libreng online tutorial diyan at mga documentation at hindi ka mamomroblema dahil may malaki silang online community.

Kung sa Networking, I recommend na mag bootcamp ka dahil mostly mga proprietary organizations o Enterprise Networking Companies (ENT) tulad ng Cisco at Huawei. May mga universities at organizations dito sa pinas na nag o-offer niyan like Mapua University (CA), Ironlink, RivanIT etc... which costs about 25k minimum (cert exam not included)+

Kung balak mo mag WebDev, may SoloLearn naman diyan para matuto ng JQuery, HTML5, CSS3, at Javascript, pero napapansin ko sa mga website ngayon puro nakabase sila sa mga javascript frameworks (ionic, angular, react, vue, at backbone.js et..)
Gusto ko yung web dev. Madami na ako napanood na tutorial sa YôùTùbé at nabasang mga books and online resoirces pero parang di ko alam pano ko maiaapply natutunan ko.
 

_iamkurt

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erniezain30

Hello,

If meron kana natutunan sa language sa web, recommend ko gawa ka personal project. Kahit basic lang that will solve a simple problem, then upload mo sa github.

This will help your portfolio showcase that you know what you doing, than being stuck lang tutorial routine.

Yan din challenges ko recently, then I switch to personal project, and apply sa natutunan ko. Both YôùTùbé and Udemy yung resources ko. If meron opportunity to get a boot camp, I will take it. But, not a must if you look into employers perspective.

Sa industry na web dev(in our company), they(employers) will find a developer who knows the language and can solve problems using your desired language. Samin, hindi big factor yung bootcamp during hiring process, what we look for is someone that has a portfolio with their projects that solve a simple problem sa web.

I hope makatulong sa decision making.
 

jpblue30

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Saang field ng I.T ka ba muna mag fofocus?

Kung sa Programming o kaya naman sa Software Development, maraming mga libreng online tutorial diyan at mga documentation at hindi ka mamomroblema dahil may malaki silang online community.

Kung sa Networking, I recommend na mag bootcamp ka dahil mostly mga proprietary organizations o Enterprise Networking Companies (ENT) tulad ng Cisco at Huawei. May mga universities at organizations dito sa pinas na nag o-offer niyan like Mapua University (CA), Ironlink, RivanIT etc... which costs about 25k minimum (cert exam not included)+

Kung balak mo mag WebDev, may SoloLearn naman diyan para matuto ng JQuery, HTML5, CSS3, at Javascript, pero napapansin ko sa mga website ngayon puro nakabase sila sa mga javascript frameworks (ionic, angular, react, vue, at backbone.js et..) pero marami pa rin mga web tutorials diyan na libre kaya tingin ko kaya pa din itong i self study.

Kung Database Management ang trip mo gaya ko, mas maganda na mag bootcamp ka, dahil ang karaniwan na nag hahandle ng mga yun ay yung mga actual companies talaga na nagle-lead ng mga databases tulad ng Microsoft at Oracle, medyo may kamahalan to pero isang kidney lang ang kailangan mo para mabuhay kaya may pera ka pa din para makabili ng bootcamp nila. Dito sa database napansin ko na parang may startup requirement na nakapasa ka ng mga certification exams bago ka magkaroon ng junior position pag mag ta-trabaho ka unlike sa programming, kahit walang certification na naipasa, basta marunong ka mag code ng OOP, magaling ka sa mga logic para sa mga solution, at may additional background ka sa ibang programming languages ay magkakaroon ka ng posisyon kahit startup.
haha pati kidney nadamay pa tuloy 😅
 

itlawgMo

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erniezain30

Hello,

If meron kana natutunan sa language sa web, recommend ko gawa ka personal project. Kahit basic lang that will solve a simple problem, then upload mo sa github.

This will help your portfolio showcase that you know what you doing, than being stuck lang tutorial routine.

Yan din challenges ko recently, then I switch to personal project, and apply sa natutunan ko. Both YôùTùbé and Udemy yung resources ko. If meron opportunity to get a boot camp, I will take it. But, not a must if you look into employers perspective.

Sa industry na web dev(in our company), they(employers) will find a developer who knows the language and can solve problems using your desired language. Samin, hindi big factor yung bootcamp during hiring process, what we look for is someone that has a portfolio with their projects that solve a simple problem sa web.

I hope makatulong sa decision making.
How about yung tinapos sa college? Big factor ba na dapat bachelor degree holder or okay lang khit vocational?
 

_iamkurt

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How about yung tinapos sa college? Big factor ba na dapat bachelor degree holder or okay lang khit vocational?
Good question tol,

I cant say for sure sa team nang iba, pero sa company namin, experienced pays you more than degree holder ka.

Pero if vocational yung current status mo, make personal projects and have a portfolio site where u can showcase ur work.

I think mas effective yan kaysa degree holder, employeer will see u as asset sa team.

If you find a work as a dev, let us know your experience.
 

aa1012

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Tama yung sabi ni @1nn0c3ntv5. Sa experience ko bilang both technical personnel at developer, mas kaylangan mo ang physical implementation pag mag aaral ka ng networking at gaya ng sabi nya, most of the big orgs cisco at huawei na ang gamit for their network infrastructure kaya usually ang applicants nila required na knowledgeable sa mga devices na yan. Kaya kung yan ang erea ng IT na gusto mong pag aralan, kaylangan mo talaga ang bootcamp for hands-on study. On the other hand, sa programming, though theoretically, mas mahirap pero yung medium or tools is in the form of software naman at mostly free kaya hindi recommended ang mag attend ng bootcamp. may pc or lappy ka lang talo talo na sa pag aaral ng programming. much better na may internet para maka subscribe ka sa github, microsoft forum, stackoverflow at codeproject for references at help.
 

itlawgMo

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Tama yung sabi ni @1nn0c3ntv5. Sa experience ko bilang both technical personnel at developer, mas kaylangan mo ang physical implementation pag mag aaral ka ng networking at gaya ng sabi nya, most of the big orgs cisco at huawei na ang gamit for their network infrastructure kaya usually ang applicants nila required na knowledgeable sa mga devices na yan. Kaya kung yan ang erea ng IT na gusto mong pag aralan, kaylangan mo talaga ang bootcamp for hands-on study. On the other hand, sa programming, though theoretically, mas mahirap pero yung medium or tools is in the form of software naman at mostly free kaya hindi recommended ang mag attend ng bootcamp. may pc or lappy ka lang talo talo na sa pag aaral ng programming. much better na may internet para maka subscribe ka sa github, microsoft forum, stackoverflow at codeproject for references at help.
Noted yan paps. Salamat sa advice.
 

itlawgMo

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Good question tol,

I cant say for sure sa team nang iba, pero sa company namin, experienced pays you more than degree holder ka.

Pero if vocational yung current status mo, make personal projects and have a portfolio site where u can showcase ur work.

I think mas effective yan kaysa degree holder, employeer will see u as asset sa team.

If you find a work as a dev, let us know your experience.
Noted yan sir. Salamat.
 

itlawgMo

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Good question tol,

I cant say for sure sa team nang iba, pero sa company namin, experienced pays you more than degree holder ka.

Pero if vocational yung current status mo, make personal projects and have a portfolio site where u can showcase ur work.

I think mas effective yan kaysa degree holder, employeer will see u as asset sa team.

If you find a work as a dev, let us know your experience.
May nagawa na ako site, napublish ko na din gaso expired na domain eh. HML/Bootstap site lang yun sobrang simple lang na site. I will take your advice paps na ienhance pa muna yung skills ko. Tamad na kasi ako pumasok sa school tsaka conflict na sya sa trabaho ko. Pag self study anytime pede ko gawin.
 

_iamkurt

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May nagawa na ako site, napublish ko na din gaso expired na domain eh. HML/Bootstap site lang yun sobrang simple lang na site. I will take your advice paps na ienhance pa muna yung skills ko. Tamad na kasi ako pumasok sa school tsaka conflict na sya sa trabaho ko. Pag self study anytime pede ko gawin.
PM kita. Baka makatulong ako.
 

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