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Naniniwala ka ba na si kristo ay God? Naniniwala ka rin ba na dalawa si God?based s interpretation m


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Mas mauunlad at payapa ang mga bansang atheist kesa mga bansang relihiyoso. Kahit ung mga bansang atheist mas maunlad at payapa na ngaun kesa nung relihiyoso pa sila. Kaakibat ng religion ang poverty, ignorance at violence. Kung saan malakas ang religion dun din maraming mga ignorante, mahihirap at bayolenteng tao. Kaakibat ng atheism ang wealth, intelligence at peace. Kung saan maraming atheists dun din mayayaman, progresibo, matatalino at payapa ang mga tao.

siyento porsyento ako ang mga magulang mo ay naniniwala sa Diyos at nabinyagan ka po
kaya sigurado nadamay sila sa majority ng population sa mundo na sinasabi mong b0bo haha


haka haka mo naman yan, magbasa ka ng kasaysayan sino ba si Polpot ng Vietnam?
si Lenin ng Russia?


sila lang naman ang makakapag patunay how brutal a society without God
sa kanila ay nasubukan na kung pano ang lipunan na walang kinikilalang Diyos

we cant deny the non sense religious wars nasa pahina ng kasaysayan yan.

yan ay gawa ng religion, and i dont believe in religion

ang mundo ay mas mapayapa without religion

a God-centered without religion iyan ang ideal society
 
You don't have to be exact up to the last day. The mere fact that you are predicting future events, imply that you must have superhuman power.

Based on your post, can your confirm if your god is only a god of israelis and not of asians, europeans, africans, arabs etc? Therefore, sectarian, tribal and discriminative. your god is not a universal god, ie god of entire humanity while your bible claims otherwise. They should rather stick their imaginations in israel and should not have propagated elsewhere. Eniwey, hindi naman pala kasali mga pinoy.


yan po ang opinyon mo :D

God chose the israel because the early prophet of God came from them, they are the first care taker of God's Message and its Deen or God System

the last prophet came from the Arabs and Muhammad,they are the current care taker of God's Message which they also corrupted by inventing sects and religion within God's Deen.

but the fact never changed, God fufilled his promise on the children of israel


proof that bible contain atleast some kernel of truth, historical records yan na hindi mo maii deny
 
hindi ko pala nakita kagabi na nag comment dito si admin rave :D

salamat sa kanyang pang unawa.

hindi po ito debate mga kapatid sharing lang ng kaalaman at opinyon, iwasan po natin ang pag mumura at pag sasabi ng masaakit na bagay sa bawat isa.

sa isang banda maganda ganda din pala yong meron ganto ngayon ko lang napansin na tumaas na pala sa enthusiast ang rank ko, mainam ito, na pag na estab na ko ay medyo tumaas yong rank ko
nakaka aliw din pala yong mga gantong talakayan dito sa forum :D
 
yan po ang opinyon mo :D

God chose the israel because the early prophet of God came from them, they are the first care taker of God's Message and its Deen or God System

the last prophet came from the Arabs and Muhammad,they are the current care taker of God's Message which they also corrupted by inventing sects and religion within God's Deen.

but the fact never changed, God fufilled his promise on the children of israel


proof that bible contain atleast some kernel of truth, historical records yan na hindi mo maii deny
So fulfilled his promise to the children of israel only and not of asians, africans, europeans and even arabs/muslims? So sectarian, tribal and discriminative? Bat di mo masagot ng diretsa?
 
sa dami ng comment ni fabbriche sa mga thread na mga b0bo daw lahat ng may religion tapos sila lang matatalino, e di dapat lahat tayo alipin nila?tapos iisa lang yung presidente sa buong mundo yung pinakamatalino lang sa kanila, o kaya naman tig-iisang bansa sila lahat sila presidente. 😁
 
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So fulfilled his promise to the children of israel only and not of asians, africans, europeans and even arabs/muslims? So sectarian, tribal and discriminative? Bat di mo masagot ng diretsa?


sinagot na kita ng detalyado.

kong may basa ka sinabi sa bibliya na
The God of Israel is not God of All race and people baka maniwala ako sa sinsabi mo tribal God ang God :D

The Israel Punished by God many times he cast away the jewish people in their homeland. ang mga una propeta ng Diyos ay jewish, he fulfilled his promise on the decendants of his prophets

wag ka po mag assume walang pinangako ang Diyos sa iba tribo o lahi n na tulad ng sinasabi, the jewish people is the first monotheistic people in human history sa kanila unang naipadala ang kapahayagan ng Diyos.

wag mo na i segway ang usapan tanggapin mo na lang ang katotohanan

ang history ang mkakapag patunay na may nilalaman ang bibliya na natupad.

pamalian mo muna at baguhin ang history na tinupad ng bibliya ang pangako nya sa jewish people

hindi ililipat ng Diyos ang pagiging care taker ng deen from jewish to the decendant of ishmael (arabs) kung siya ay tribal God na gaya ng pinipilit mo :D

at uulitin ko maglatag ka ng pahayag sa bibliya na sinabi ng diyos

"i am God of israel, i am tribal God for the jewish people alone"
 
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sinagot na kita ng detalyado.

kong may basa ka sinabi sa bibliya na
The God of Israel is not God of All race and people baka maniwala ako sa sinsabi mo tribal God ang God :D

The Israel Punished by God many times he cast away the jewish people in their homeland. ang mga una propeta ng Diyos ay jewish, he fulfilled his promise on the decendants of his prophets

wag ka po mag assume walang pinangako ang Diyos sa iba tribo o lahi n na tulad ng sinasabi, the jewish people is the first monotheistic people in human history sa kanila unang naipadala ang kapahayagan ng Diyos.

wag mo na i segway ang usapan tanggapin mo na lang ang katotohanan

ang history ang mkakapag patunay na may nilalaman ang bibliya na natupad.

pamalian mo muna at baguhin ang history na tinupad ng bibliya ang pangako nya sa jewish people

hindi ililipat ng Diyos ang pagiging care taker ng deen from jewish to the decendant of ishmael (arabs) kung siya ay tribal God na gaya ng pinipilit mo :D

at uulitin ko maglatag ka ng pahayag sa bibliya na sinabi ng diyos

"i am God of israel, i am tribal God for the jewish people alone"
No, hindi mo ko sinagot ng detalyado. But rather you are evading the question and not admitting that your god is not a universal god.
 
No, hindi mo ko sinagot ng detalyado. But rather you are evading the question and not admitting that your god is not a universal god.

kaya nga hinahanapan kita ng patunay sa pag aasume mo sa sarili mong opinion at hindi ako nag tataka dahil hindi ka nagbabasa ng bibliya kaya hindi hindi ka makaunawa

d kasi ko bible memes at pastor style makipag debate


Israel is the Chosen People and Nation of God
kong pamilyar ka sa abrahamic faith, ang terminong ginagamit sa 3 monotheistic faith of judaism, islam at christianity ay hindi mo sana maitatanong yan at


he choose israel because of Abraham, his prophet, he promised to abraham that his decendants will be a Great nations and chosen people that is an eternal covenant between God and Abraham, that is favor of God on his prophet (abraham) for his dilligent obedience on God's Commandment.


the second point is why God choose israel is because God wants the israel to be a Model of other nations base on the dilligent monotheism of abraham basahin mo sa genesis 12:3

kung totoo yan sinabi mo ay hindi pakikialaman ng diyos ang ibang nation para sila ay ma convert sa monotheistic faith base on Abraham monotheism as roll model

hindi ko iniiwasan ang tanong mo sinasagot kita at pinaaliwanag ko sayo ng maayos, magbasa ka ng bibliya para maka unawa ka at may pamilyaridad ka sa basikong nilalaman nito

kung ipipilit mo yong sayo eh

ikaw ang umiiwas hindi ako dahil hindi mo matanggap at hindi mo mapamalian na nagkatotoo ang pangako ng diyos sa bansang israel ay nag sgway ka na lang at pinipilit mo yang tribal god theory mo :D

ngayon po
sige nga kanina ko pa sinsabi sayo ilatag mo sa loob ng bibliya na may pahayag ang
diyos na siya ay diyos ng israel at hindi diyos ng ibang nation at race patunayan mo ang tribal God theory mo
 
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kaya nga hinahanapan kita ng patunay sa pag aasume mo sa sarili mong opinion at hindi ako nag tataka dahil hindi ka nagbabasa ng bibliya kaya hindi hindi ka makaunawa

d kasi ko bible memes at pastor style makipag debate


Israel is the Chosen People and Nation of God
kong pamilyar ka sa abrahamic faith, ang terminong ginagamit sa 3 monotheistic faith of judaism, islam at christianity ay hindi mo sana maitatanong yan at


he choose israel because of Abraham, his prophet, he promised to abraham that his decendants will be a Great nations and chosen people that is an eternal covenant between God and Abraham, that is favor of God on his prophet (abraham) for his dilligent obedience on God's Commandment.


the second point is why God choose israel is because God wants the israel to be a Model of other nations base on the dilligent monotheism of abraham basahin mo sa genesis 12:3

kung totoo yan sinabi mo ay hindi pakikialaman ng diyos ang ibang nation para sila ay ma convert sa monotheistic faith base on Abraham monotheism as roll model

hindi ko iniiwasan ang tanong mo sinasagot kita at pinaaliwanag ko sayo ng maayos, magbasa ka ng bibliya para maka unawa ka at may pamilyaridad ka sa basikong nilalaman nito

kung ipipilit mo yong sayo eh

ikaw ang umiiwas hindi ako dahil hindi mo matanggap at hindi mo mapamalian na nagkatotoo ang pangako ng diyos sa bansang israel ay nag sgway ka na lang at pinipilit mo yang tribal god theory mo :D

ngayon po
sige nga kanina ko pa sinsabi sayo ilatag mo sa loob ng bibliya na may pahayag ang
diyos na siya ay diyos ng israel at hindi diyos ng ibang nation at race patunayan mo ang tribal God theory mo
Back read ka, ilang verses sa bible ang ipinost ko, karamihan yung atrocities committed by your god but none of you are not able to state to justify those actions, ie if those acts are acts of a merciful, loving and just god.

Balik tayo sa tribong israel, gaya ng sinabi mo piniling lahi ang israel and god even hated other races like palestine and amalekites to cite a few, so tribal. Ano definition mo dyan kung hindi sectartian, tribal and discriminative?

For arguments sake, sabihin na natin na tinupad ng god ang pangako sa israel. Wala bang pangako sa ibang bansa. Marami ding bansa ang nagdurusa sa kahirapan, sakit, digmaan at persecutions.

The problem with your interpretation is that you are building an image of a perfect god not capable of committing atrocities but only love, mercy and blessing, which is in direct contrast to what was written in bible itself.

"And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and woman: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house." (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.)
 
siyento porsyento ako ang mga magulang mo ay naniniwala sa Diyos at nabinyagan ka po
kaya sigurado nadamay sila sa majority ng population sa mundo na sinasabi mong b0bo haha


haka haka mo naman yan, magbasa ka ng kasaysayan sino ba si Polpot ng Vietnam?
si Lenin ng Russia?


sila lang naman ang makakapag patunay how brutal a society without God
sa kanila ay nasubukan na kung pano ang lipunan na walang kinikilalang Diyos

we cant deny the non sense religious wars nasa pahina ng kasaysayan yan.

yan ay gawa ng religion, and i dont believe in religion

ang mundo ay mas mapayapa without religion

a God-centered without religion iyan ang ideal society
Communist societies yang binabanggit mo. Communism ang violent hindi atheism. Communist revolution ang nangyari sa communist countries na pumatay ng maraming tao. Communism ang ideology na ipinatutupad nila hindi atheism.

Walang atheist revolution. Walang organisasyon ang mga atheists. Peaceful ang mga atheists kagaya ng mga atheists sa Western Europe, Japan, Canada, Australia at New Zealand.
 
sa haba ng sinagot mo sa redundancy din nauwi haha, you contradicting one of the very foundation of science, the causality, the theory of cause and effect, ang pure random, natural process hindi pupuwede walang driving force dyan walang dahilan dyan.

ang isa sa dahilan ng pagtutol ng mga scientistS sa version ng Religion ng Creation ay d umano labag daw ito sa fundamental laws ng kanilang physics, matter cannot be created out of nothing
and it is in conformity and same with scienific theory of law of cause and effect or causality, lahat ng bagay ay nangyari ay may cause.

yan ang batas nyo sa pag iinvestigate at observation kaya ang burden of proof ay nasa inyo so bakit hindi mo mabigyan bigyan ng kasagutan gamit ang isang simpleng sagot youu still hangging the question

and
one of the biggest failed and deficiency of scientists until today is the Singularity, the exact moment of creation
the scientific equation can explain the early universe yes its a fact
ngunit kung babalik sila ng babalik ng mas early, their mathematic equation returns to nothing, zero and meaningless :D

at dyan pumalya ang scientists sa sarili nilang panukat

at yan ang hinihingi ko sayo kasagutan, explain fill the gap and answer the questions, na sa loob ng ilang daan taon till now ay hindi mabigyan bigyan kasagutan ng mga scientists mo

prove it that science can provide all the answers in the mystery of the universe.
Nasagot na yan ng mga scientists matagal na. Quantum fluctuations ang CAUSE ng universe. Nalikha ang universe dahil sa quantum fluctuations sa vacuum fields. Walang cause ang quantum fluctuations. Sadya silang lumilitaw at naglalaho. Hindi god ang quantum fluctuations. Virtual particles. Walang isip. Walang intelligence. Hindi kelangan ng god para malikha ang universe.
 
yan po ang opinyon mo :D

God chose the israel because the early prophet of God came from them, they are the first care taker of God's Message and its Deen or God System

the last prophet came from the Arabs and Muhammad,they are the current care taker of God's Message which they also corrupted by inventing sects and religion within God's Deen.

but the fact never changed, God fufilled his promise on the children of israel


proof that bible contain atleast some kernel of truth, historical records yan na hindi mo maii deny
Mythology lang ang bibliya from cover to cover. Halos lahat ng biblical characters at events puro fictional. Hindi tunay na tao sina Adam and Eve. Hindi rin totoo sina Noah, Abraham at Moses. Hindi ngyari ang Great Flood. Hindi naging alipin ang mga Israelita sa Ehipto. Walang exodus na naganap. Kahit ung mga wars at genocide na ginawa ng Israel walang evidence nun.

Maraming taong nagngangalang Jesus sa 1st century Judea pero walang recorded na umakyat sa langit. The entire thing is a myth. Historical fiction lang ang bibliya parang Illiad and Odyssey. Totoo ung settings ng stories pero made up ung mga characters at hyperbole ang mga events.
 
Nasagot na yan ng mga scientists matagal na. Quantum fluctuations ang CAUSE ng universe. Nalikha ang universe dahil sa quantum fluctuations sa vacuum fields. Walang cause ang quantum fluctuations. Sadya silang lumilitaw at naglalaho. Hindi god ang quantum fluctuations. Virtual particles. Walang isip. Walang intelligence. Hindi kelangan ng god para malikha ang universe.

yan na naman tayo, again you contradicting one of the foundation of science the causality theory :D
ang quantum flunctuation na sinsabi mo ay uncertainty principle kaya hndi iyan ganong tanggap sa scientific communityv


at hindi accurate ang paliwanag mo dahil generally speaking pag tinanong mo isang ang atheist
why universe exist? they simply say that universe is eternal palusot nila para pabulaaan ang naka tala sa genesis
which nag sasabi ang universe ay may beginning :D

lets hold on at pag isipan natin mabuti, kung ang universe ay walang beginning, _(which according to the majority ng mga scriptures ng ibat ibang religion ay mayroon) it means ang universe ay may past events, and the history of its past event is infinite

ngunit inaaamin at tanggap ng mga mathematican na ang infinite numbers of things will lead to self contradiction.

at ito ang sabi ng greatest mathematician na nabuhay si David Hilbert
"the infinite is nowhere to be found in reality It neither exists in nature nor provides a legitimatebasis for rational though"

at dyan sa sinabi mo quantum flunctuation, who caused that? haha hit me and pag sinabi mo wala at kusa na lang nangyari? yan ay hindi makokototohanan base mismo sa sarili nyo panukat

ano pa ang sabi ni David Hilbert?

But allow me to tell you that I never asserted so absurd aProposition as that anything might arise without a cause.”

at ito ay pinatutunayan ng atheist at philosopher na si Kai Nielsen sa kanyang isang example and illustration

'Suppose you suddenly hear a loud bang . . . and you ask me, ‘Whatmade that bang? ’ and I reply, ‘Nothing, it just happened.’ You wouldnot accept that. In fact you would find my reply quite unintelligible.'

so scientifically and philosophically speaking ang sinasabi ng mga atheists na ang universe ay eternal without beginning at ang sinabi mo na quantum flunctuation na whoops na bigla na lang nangyari the end of the story ay non sense at absurd it contradicting the foundation and theory of science itself sang ayon mismo sa panukat ng science at sinsabi ng mga scientist :)
 
Communist societies yang binabanggit mo. Communism ang violent hindi atheism. Communist revolution ang nangyari sa communist countries na pumatay ng maraming tao. Communism ang ideology na ipinatutupad nila hindi atheism.

Walang atheist revolution. Walang organisasyon ang mga atheists. Peaceful ang mga atheists kagaya ng mga atheists sa Western Europe, Japan, Canada, Australia at New Zealand.

mukhang hindi mo nabasa ang ang ilan sa aklat ni karl marx :D
communism is atheistic economy and political ideology

a communist society is the example of a godless, atheistic society kaya wag mo po linisin ang sarili nyo kalat


ang communism na base sa idea ng atheistic Godless society ay hindi masama ideolohiya? :D
 
Mythology lang ang bibliya from cover to cover. Halos lahat ng biblical characters at events puro fictional. Hindi tunay na tao sina Adam and Eve. Hindi rin totoo sina Noah, Abraham at Moses. Hindi ngyari ang Great Flood. Hindi naging alipin ang mga Israelita sa Ehipto. Walang exodus na naganap. Kahit ung mga wars at genocide na ginawa ng Israel walang evidence nun.

Maraming taong nagngangalang Jesus sa 1st century Judea pero walang recorded na umakyat sa langit. The entire thing is a myth. Historical fiction lang ang bibliya parang Illiad and Odyssey. Totoo ung settings ng stories pero made up ung mga characters at hyperbole ang mga events.

hindi ako naniniwala sa lahat ng nakasulat sa biliya at hindi lahat ng nakasulat dyan ay literal
i dont believe that adam and eve ay totoong unang tao, the story of adam and eve is the story of human beggining and its acendancy to godhood in microcosmic level.

may historical record ng existence ni jesus matuto ka magbasa ng old history book at hindi lang sa haka haka :)
 
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Back read ka, ilang verses sa bible ang ipinost ko, karamihan yung atrocities committed by your god but none of you are not able to state to justify those actions, ie if those acts are acts of a merciful, loving and just god.

Balik tayo sa tribong israel, gaya ng sinabi mo piniling lahi ang israel and god even hated other races like palestine and amalekites to cite a few, so tribal. Ano definition mo dyan kung hindi sectartian, tribal and discriminative?

For arguments sake, sabihin na natin na tinupad ng god ang pangako sa israel. Wala bang pangako sa ibang bansa. Marami ding bansa ang nagdurusa sa kahirapan, sakit, digmaan at persecutions.

The problem with your interpretation is that you are building an image of a perfect god not capable of committing atrocities but only love, mercy and blessing, which is in direct contrast to what was written in bible itself.

"And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and woman: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house." (You do not have permission to view the full content of this post. Log in or register now.)

una wala ako sinabi bible memes ka, ako ang tinutukoy ko dahil d ko ugali mag latag ng verse sa bible

dami mo sinabi di mo naman masagot sagot yong tanong kung saan mo mababasa sa bible ang tribal God theory mo


at wala ako sinabi lahat ng nakatala sa bibliya ay totoo at recorded yan sa bible, the scribd of the past will corrupt the scriptures, ang pag atake sa walls of jericho at pagpatay sa ibang lahi ay outside yan sa nature ng omnipotence, merciful God, they corrupted and changed the bible dahil nature na ng children of israel ang pagiging rebelious you can read in the bible, though its corrupted we can still glimpse some kernel of truth in the bible , God fulfilled his promise and covenant with abraham thhrough his decendants, kahit na rebelious ang mga jewish, because God will not break his promise.

hindi for argument sake yan kundi kaylangan mo na aminin at tanggapin ang katotohanan unless pakitaan mo ko ng ibang version ng history ng jewish people :D

and till now di mo pa din masagot yong tanong
so lalagay ako sa pamamaraan mo at baka sakali may verse ka na mailatag sa tribal God na sinasabi mo

for the sake of argumentation lets just accept that God is a tribal God of Israel

may maipapakita ka ba talata sa bibliya mababasa na ni declare ng Diyos na siya ay Diyos lamang ng mga israelita

nasa balikat mo ang burden of proof dahil ikaw ang nagsasabi tribal God ng israel ang God
kaya pakilatag ang verse ng pinag batayan mo ;)
 
Oh, asan na sila?

Gusto ko rin malaman saan nagmula yong bigbang.

Paano nagkaroon niyang quantum flunctuation na yan kung ang lahat galing sa wala.
 
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