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Naniniwala ka ba na si kristo ay God? Naniniwala ka rin ba na dalawa si God?based s interpretation m


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asus haha ikaw naman kasi ang patunay mo po ay laway at delusyon mo :D


suko at nangamote ka na sa bible kaya sa Quran ka naman pupunta hahaha

mag isip ka mas lalo ka mangangamote dyan lalo na at ang Quran nanatili pa din sa orihial na porma dahil ito ang pinaka huli na reveal though its interpretation was corrupted over time because of the hadith :D

pero sige pag bibigyan kita at ng makabawi ka naman sa tribal god theory mo baka dyan makita mo na yong ilusyon mo

paki latag mo ang surah sa loob ng Quran na nag sasabi ang Arabic: Allah (God)
ay tribal God ng mga israelita


or kahit na arabo since ang last prophet and the last care taker of God Message is arab

saan sinabi sa Quran na sinabi ng Allah 'i am God of arab people?' :D

ilatag mo ang surah at hind ilusyon mo
So alin sa mga dyos nyo ang talagang tutoo? Sabi mo yung god mo. Sabi mo sabi sa qu'ran si allah? So, sino talaga? Tsk, tsk, tsk. Panay ka personal attack. Wala ka nabang malalim-lalim na pangangatwiran?
 
So alin sa mga dyos nyo ang talagang tutoo? Sabi mo yung god mo. Sabi mo sabi sa qu'ran si allah? So, sino talaga? Tsk, tsk, tsk. Panay ka personal attack. Wala ka nabang malalim-lalim na pangangatwiran?

personal attack haha ikaw ang mahilig sa ad hom binaliktad mo pa ata ko

panay atake ka sa scriptures sa basurahan naman pinupulot yan ilusyon mo sa tribal God theory mo

islam is part of judeo-christian-jewish tradition the 3 monotheistic sa pananalita mo ang alam mo lang ay pumulot ng chismis at wala ka alam sa basic ng religious history :D


nilagay ko na nga dyan Allah from Araic words al-illah The God :D

islam and christianity they shared they history from prophet abraham, ishmael the ancestor of prophet muhammad.
o baka di mo naunawaan islam and christian and jewish ay naniniwala sa iisang Diyos
man made religion and sectarian faith just divided them

panay ka tanong hindi ka naman makasagot sa tanong at wala ka maipakita sa mga ilusyon mo :)

ikaw na ang pinaka mababaw ang arguments sa lahat ng atheists na naka talakayan ko dahil ang mga atheist na nakausap ko noon ay bumabase sa science at philosophy hindi tulad mo na bumamabase ka sa sarili mo ignorance without having to provide any logical and explicit evidence to support your claim.

masyado sisiw ang pangangatwiran mo hahaha
 
ngayon homer kong pupwede wag ka puro segway dahil ako kina counter ko lang lahat ng atake mo,
ngayon tinanong mo kong pwedi ba sa Quran

yes na yes po ang sagot ko :D
ngayon ay paki bigay ang surah sa Quran ng tribal gof theory mo pag may pagkakataon mo na ito makabawi at baka sa loob ng Quran ay may mababasa tayo

remember ikaw ang nag banggit ng Quran hindi ako, kaya binibigay ko lang po ang hilig mo wag po ma butthurt
relax lang at iwasan ang ad hom at maaga ka magkaka uban nyan



paki latag mo ang surah sa loob ng Quran na nag sasabi ang Arabic: Allah (God)
ay tribal God ng mga israelita


or kahit na arabo since ang last prophet and the last care taker of God Message is arab

saan sinabi sa Quran na sinabi ng Allah 'i am God of arab people?' :D

ilatag mo ang surah at hind ilusyon mo
 
May pagka-st(u)id ka talaga. Marunong kabang bumasa? Ano pagkaka-unawa, intindi, comprehend ng abo mong utak yang bersikulo-bisikleta sa baba?

“For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession. The LORD did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples. But it was because the LORD loved you and kept the oath he swore to your ancestors that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh king of Egypt.” (Deuteronomy 7:6-8)

Sa bobong bunganga mo na nga nanggaling na ang tropa/tribo lang ni abraham ang payborit ng god mo.
Deuteronomy 7

1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;

2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:

3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.

4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.

5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

10 And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.

11 Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.

12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:

13 And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

14 Thou shalt be blessed above all people: there shall not be male or female barren among you, or among your cattle.

15 And the LORD will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee.

16 And thou shalt consume all the people which the LORD thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: neither shalt thou serve their gods; for that will be a snare unto thee.

17 If thou shalt say in thine heart, These nations are more than I; how can I dispossess them?

18 Thou shalt not be afraid of them: but shalt well remember what the LORD thy God did unto Pharaoh, and unto all Egypt;

19 The great temptations which thine eyes saw, and the signs, and the wonders, and the mighty hand, and the stretched out arm, whereby the LORD thy God brought thee out: so shall the LORD thy God do unto all the people of whom thou art afraid.

20 Moreover the LORD thy God will send the hornet among them, until they that are left, and hide themselves from thee, be destroyed.

21 Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for the LORD thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible.

22 And the LORD thy God will put out those nations before thee by little and little: thou mayest not consume them at once, lest the beasts of the field increase upon thee.

23 But the LORD thy God shall deliver them unto thee, and shall destroy them with a mighty destruction, until they be destroyed.

24 And he shall deliver their kings into thine hand, and thou shalt destroy their name from under heaven: there shall no man be able to stand before thee, until thou have destroyed them.

25 The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therein: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God.

26 Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing.
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hindi naman tayo kabilang sa israeli kabilang tayo sa mga gentile yet binigyan tayo ng chance na mapabilang sa mga hinirang via Emannuel

modern israel ngayon is hindi katulad ng mga kristyano dahil nag stay sila dun sa batas nung panahon ni moses kaya sabi ni soriano sa batas nung panahon ni moses din sila hahatulan which is? -napaka hirap

pero sabi nga ni stellarium hindi ka nag babasa ng bible

sa totoo lang nga hindi kami required na patunayan na God exist required lang kami na kapag nag tanong ang sino man kailangang i entertain sagutin in truth according sa nakasulat sa bible kung hindi naniwala yung nag tanong base sa pagkakaintindi ko ipapaliwanag ng pangalawa kung hindi parin naniwala sa pangatlo bahala na you pwede na naming iwan yung nagtanong(kaya pala sabi nila bawal daw mag debate.[si admin pala nag sabi nito hindi ko na kasi matandaan pw sa old acc di ko alam sinagot niya] pero wala naman ako alam naka sulat sa bible)

sa totoo niyan po kung babasahin mo ang bible walang word na tribal god at kung nabasa mo po kahit mag research lang ng konte on your own po ay masasagot mo na na ikaw mismo at parang natutulog ka bigla may nag buhos ng napaka lamig na tubig masasabi mo tulad ng mga taong tumanda na nag sisi sa mga ginawa nilang kalokohan nuong bata pa sila "nakakahiya yun" "bakit hindi ko alam yung mga ganitong bagay nung bata pa ako" "sanang sinabi ko nalang nararamdaman ko sa kanya at hindi na naging torpe napaka dali lang naman sabihin ngayon" xP nasa huli lagi ang regret
 
Diba pede qu'ran basahin ko? Bakit bibliya? Ano meron dyan? Eto na naman si patunay. Ikaw, napatunayan mo na existence ng god mo?
boss kung ilagay mo kaya sa lugar ni stellarium a christian sa lugar mo

saka sabihin ni stellarium yan ano isasagot mo? christian ka hindi ka muslim

simply "nonsense" 😸 ano meron dyan
kung nilagay mo sarili mo sa lugar niya diba nasagot muna
 
wag ka gumamit ng pangit na salita at bumabalik sayo ang sinasabi mo
napaghahalataan tuloy na nangangamote ka nga dahil dyan sa ilusyon mong Tribal God Theory :D



he kept his promise on abraham, wala ka masasabi dyan sa pantasya mo na I am God exlusively in israel :D

“For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession. The LORD did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples. But it was because the LORD loved you and kept the oath he swore to your ancestors that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh king of Egypt.” (Deuteronomy 7:6-8)

asan na ang tribal god dellusion mo dyan? kong ano yong sinsabi mo bumabalik sayo dahil kahit bali baliktarin mo yan d mo dyan masisingit ang delusion mo :D

sa verse palang na to basag ka na agad ang nilagang kamote mo na Tribal God Theory hahaha

ang sabi mo ay diyos lang siya ng israel woops kelan pa naging israelita ang mga egyptians at abissinians?

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The LORD of Hosts will bless them, saying, “Blessed be Egypt My people, Assyria My handiwork, and Israel My inheritance.”… -Isaiah 19:24-25


ganyan talaga aabutin mo homer ang pangangamote unless ay hindi ka matuto magbasa mabuti ng bible :D
sure ka boss naintindihan mo more than me? xP

LORD did not set his affection on you and choose you

because you were more numerous than other peoples,

for you were the fewest of all peoples.

But it was because the LORD loved you


chosen people po sila hindi dahil sa marami sila dahil sa konti sila kundi dahil mahal sila ng Diyos


6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8 But because the LORD loved you,

6 Sapagka't ikaw ay isang banal na bayan sa Panginoon mong Dios; pinili ka ng Panginoon mong Dios upang maging bayan sa kaniyang sariling pag-aari, na higit sa lahat ng mga bayan na nasa ibabaw ng balat ng lupa.

7 Hindi kayo inibig ng Panginoon, ni pinili kayo ng dahil sa kayo'y marami sa bilang kay sa alin mang bayan; sapagka't kayo ang pinakamaliit sa lahat ng mga bayan:

8 Kundi dahil sa inibig kayo ng Panginoon,

hmm.. hindi mu kaya na intindihan or on purpose para gawing bato pamato or hindi tama pagkakaintindi ko simula palang 🤔
 
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laging sinasabi ni jesus na ama. so dalawa tlga ang god. si jesus ay god ng mga tao at si papa god ay dyos ng lahat
yun po ang naka sulat kung babasahin mo itong denelete ko dahil ayaw nilang pag usapan xP
Gods do exist right? Christ is a God pero may mas mataas sa kanya at yun ang kanyang ama the God

so may dalawang God


1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

pero sino yung verbo?

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

so Emannuel the Christ siya yung word the first born of all creation and the image of the invisible God

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

si Christ siya din pala yung creator na unang ginawa ni Father God

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

or si Christ yung nag create but while the Father is in him

57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
 
o baka di mo naunawaan islam and christian and jewish ay naniniwala sa iisang Diyos
man made religion and sectarian faith just divided them
wait what? sa muslim ko madalas marinig yan

wrong po karamihan po sa nakikita kong christian tungkol sa topic na yan tinatanggi na yung God sa bible at god sa quran ay magkaiba muslim lang po ng sasabi niyan at yung sinasabi nila base pa sa quran si jesus ganito ganyan ay hindi diyos isa lang siyang propeta na tulad mo ikaw din nag sabi nito eh.. mukhang pinag aralan mo rin ang quran at na mix paniniwala mo
 
Nasagot na yan ng mga scientists matagal na. Quantum fluctuations ang CAUSE ng universe. Nalikha ang universe dahil sa quantum fluctuations sa vacuum fields. Walang cause ang quantum fluctuations. Sadya silang lumilitaw at naglalaho. Hindi god ang quantum fluctuations. Virtual particles. Walang isip. Walang intelligence. Hindi kelangan ng god para malikha ang universe.

Ano na nga po ang...

Intelligent Design?
Na disproved na po ba ang theory na ito?

Paki enlighten us about Quantum Fluctuation.
 
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hindi naman tayo kabilang sa israeli kabilang tayo sa mga gentile yet binigyan tayo ng chance na mapabilang sa mga hinirang via Emannuel

modern israel ngayon is hindi katulad ng mga kristyano dahil nag stay sila dun sa batas nung panahon ni moses kaya sabi ni soriano sa batas nung panahon ni moses din sila hahatulan which is? -napaka hirap

pero sabi nga ni stellarium hindi ka nag babasa ng bible

sa totoo lang nga hindi kami required na patunayan na God exist required lang kami na kapag nag tanong ang sino man kailangang i entertain sagutin in truth according sa nakasulat sa bible kung hindi naniwala yung nag tanong base sa pagkakaintindi ko ipapaliwanag ng pangalawa kung hindi parin naniwala sa pangatlo bahala na you pwede na naming iwan yung nagtanong(kaya pala sabi nila bawal daw mag debate.[si admin pala nag sabi nito hindi ko na kasi matandaan pw sa old acc di ko alam sinagot niya] pero wala naman ako alam naka sulat sa bible)

sa totoo niyan po kung babasahin mo ang bible walang word na tribal god at kung nabasa mo po kahit mag research lang ng konte on your own po ay masasagot mo na na ikaw mismo at parang natutulog ka bigla may nag buhos ng napaka lamig na tubig masasabi mo tulad ng mga taong tumanda na nag sisi sa mga ginawa nilang kalokohan nuong bata pa sila "nakakahiya yun" "bakit hindi ko alam yung mga ganitong bagay nung bata pa ako" "sanang sinabi ko nalang nararamdaman ko sa kanya at hindi na naging torpe napaka dali lang naman sabihin ngayon" xP nasa huli lagi ang regret
Nung bata ka at inutusan ka ng nanay mo na bumili sa tindihan. Did you mom say that take 10 steps forward, then turn left then take another 5 steps then turn right, then walk another 20 steps and you'll get to the store. Once you are at the store, murmur "pabili po ng mantika"? That is being literal.

When you read a story in book and a teacher worth her salt ask her to re-tell the story. Do you retell the story word-for-word to illustrate that you get the meaning of it?

When you are sensible enough, you are able to get the meaning out of a context.

OK, sabihin natin na tama ka dapat i-literal. Tanong ko, may listahan ba ng "maliligtas" na literal na nakasulat sa bible mo? Wala.

Kung pagiging literal ang lagi mong igigiit and not use your common sense, you are perfect definition of a walking robot.
 
Nung bata ka at inutusan ka ng nanay mo na bumili sa tindihan. Did you mom say that take 10 steps forward, then turn left then take another 5 steps then turn right, then walk another 20 steps and you'll get to the store. Once you are at the store, murmur "pabili po ng mantika"? That is being literal.

When you read a story in book and a teacher worth her salt ask her to re-tell the story. Do you retell the story word-for-word to illustrate that you get the meaning of it?

When you are sensible enough, you are able to get the meaning out of a context.

OK, sabihin natin na tama ka dapat i-literal. Tanong ko, may listahan ba ng "maliligtas" na literal na nakasulat sa bible mo? Wala.

Kung pagiging literal ang lagi mong igigiit and not use your common sense, you are perfect definition of a walking robot.
ang alam ko hindi naa applied ang common sense sa bible pag ni applied mo = sarili mong paniniwala.. pag sinabi mo sa iba sarili mong paniniwala = maaring hindi mo na respetuhin ang paniniwala ng iba
 
ang alam ko hindi naa applied ang common sense sa bible pag ni applied mo = sarili mong paniniwala.. pag sinabi mo sa iba sarili mong paniniwala = maaring hindi mo na respetuhin ang paniniwala ng iba
It is not about respecting/disrespecting. It is about laying out and justifying your arguments. Common sense is ought to be part of being human. If you don't apply common sense to anything, where would it lead you?
 
It is not about respecting/disrespecting. It is about laying out and justifying your arguments. Common sense is ought to be part of being human. If you don't apply common sense to anything, where would it lead you?
it would lead you to your own understanding lol to your own beliefs

pag hindi mo nirespeto yung paniniwala ng iba magkakagulo at baka ikamatay mo pa kapag ni respeto mo yung paniniwala na alam mong mali hindi mo rin marerespeto unless sinungaling ka

pag namuhay ka ng nilagyan mo lahat ng common sense lahat ng may sense para sa pagkakaintindi mo at wala kang pakialam sa paniniwala ng ibang tao abay isa karin po pala sa nagpapatotoo sa biblia xP

actually sa totoo lang paniniwala mo vs paniniwala ng iba at ipipilit ng paniniwala mo at ipipilit ng paniniwala ng iba ay pointless xP may common sense ka po diba

nakakatamad tong ganitong arguement walang patutunguhan kundi galit
 
it would lead you to your own understanding lol to your own beliefs

pag hindi mo nirespeto yung paniniwala ng iba magkakagulo at baka ikamatay mo pa kapag ni respeto mo yung paniniwala na alam mong mali hindi mo rin marerespeto unless sinungaling ka

pag namuhay ka ng nilagyan mo lahat ng common sense lahat ng may sense para sa pagkakaintindi mo at wala kang pakialam sa paniniwala ng ibang tao abay isa karin po pala sa nagpapatotoo sa biblia xP

actually sa totoo lang paniniwala mo vs paniniwala ng iba at ipipilit ng paniniwala mo at ipipilit ng paniniwala ng iba ay pointless xP may common sense ka po diba

nakakatamad tong ganitong arguement walang patutunguhan kundi galit
Nagkabuhol-buhol utak ko sa post na ito. Wala akong naintindihan
 
WE can do better than this.
and please don't use word that would interpret negativity.
it would trigger into hate-like argument and it would not benefit you nor them.
keep it cool. (wink)
 
Nagkabuhol-buhol utak ko sa post na ito. Wala akong naintindihan
kasi ayaw mong intindihin :cool: pag yung isang bagay na gusto mong hanapin hanapan ko ng butas itong pangit na baboy na ito

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mahahanap mo nga

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imagine pag si 1 sinabi niya gusto niyang sabihin at gusto niyang patunayan na tama siya kahit maging mali pa siya later
imagine pag si 2 sinabi niya gusto niyang sabihin at gusto niyang patunayan na tama siya kahit maging mali pa siya later
imagine pag si 3 sinabi niya gusto niyang sabihin at gusto niyang patunayan na tama siya kahit maging mali pa siya later

saan pupunta usapan nung tatlo? baka rin hindi na sila sikatan ng kinabukasan

siguro naman po naiintindihan muna puno ka ng common sense diba po
 
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Heto lang masasabi ko, fan ako ng kabbalism eh pero just wait til you (or us) die for more answers - end of the story.
 
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